Reflect damage and PvP

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Melona on 05/14/2012, 09:38 AM - view
I really wish people would stop crying about how PvE things effect PvP. PvE comes first always as RPGs are inherently PvE games. Besides, I personally like things like this too because it offers the possibility of unique builds for certain classes.


And I would like PvE players stop interfere in to PvP things.

I also do like unique builds. But reflect damage will not give you this. I give month, may be 2 and everyone will use it in PvP.
It also means 3 classes: sorc, berserer and slayer can reroll on other classes if want play GvG - they will simply die by them own AoE DPS. Every lonely wolf can cancel subscription because with reflect DMG is simply impossible to win 1vs2, 1vs3 etc.
Every customisation options have own borders - IMO this one will completely break PvP in game.
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hmm. If healers can get this then is pretty much GG. They wont even have to cast a offensive spell at you to kill you. Game breaking. Also as a sorc 90% of my spells are aoe's. I better get used to killing myself in the future.
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It should be changed to a % chance to reflect % damage that would be perfect though i wouldnt want to see more than a 35% or so chance
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You realize there's a scroll that reflects damage as well right...?

Stop trying to ruin every little detail about the game and just play it, 15% is not even a ridiculous amount to reflect.

So I crit you for 10k.. I'm pretty sure I can live knowing I only did 1.5k dmg to myself. And ffs. you're talking about aoe's being ruined when the dmg from aoe's are already divided depending on how many targets are hit... wake the fck up.

If you even do get the chance to AOE other players then they're just bad period for standing that close to each other and collectively not noticing the red circle around them.
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Kandori on 05/15/2012, 04:02 AM - view
You realize there's a scroll that reflects damage as well right...?

Stop trying to ruin every little detail about the game and just play it, 15% is not even a ridiculous amount to reflect.

So I crit you for 10k.. I'm pretty sure I can live knowing I only did 1.5k dmg to myself. And ffs. you're talking about aoe's being ruined when the dmg from aoe's are already divided depending on how many targets are hit... wake the fck up.

If you even do get the chance to AOE other players then they're just bad period for standing that close to each other and collectively not noticing the red circle around them.



GvG are 50+ people on each side fighting, and with burst of celerity and attack speed ..that red circle? yea.. that's under a 1 second cast time.. Good luck!
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Chedeuine on 05/15/2012, 04:08 AM - view
Kandori on 05/15/2012, 04:02 AM
You realize there's a scroll that reflects damage as well right...?

Stop trying to ruin every little detail about the game and just play it, 15% is not even a ridiculous amount to reflect.

So I crit you for 10k.. I'm pretty sure I can live knowing I only did 1.5k dmg to myself. And ffs. you're talking about aoe's being ruined when the dmg from aoe's are already divided depending on how many targets are hit... wake the fck up.

If you even do get the chance to AOE other players then they're just bad period for standing that close to each other and collectively not noticing the red circle around them.



GvG are 50+ people on each side fighting, and with burst of celerity and attack speed ..that red circle? yea.. that's under a 1 second cast time.. Good luck!


O man, all those people grouped up together is gonna make my fireblast do AMAZING dmg. Either way, it wouldn't matter.

let's just say a fireblast on 1 person does... ooo idk.. 10k.

2 ppl let's say.. 5k.?

4 people let's say..... 2.5k..

10 people... 1k a piece

I'm not gonna bother making a more realistic scenario which would include all of their defenses.. buffs... etc etc..

ultimately you'll still be taking back 1.5k dmg if you were to hit 10 targets for 1k each in thiss fabricated scenario.

15% of 1k = 150... 150 x 10 = 1500.

There's no difference here. So like I said, the 15% isn't an issue regardless of how many targets you hit.
Edited by: Kandori about 1 year ago
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Kandori on 05/15/2012, 04:17 AM - view

let's just say a fireblast on 1 person does... ooo idk.. 10k.

2 ppl let's say.. 5k.?

4 people let's say..... 2.5k..

10 people... 1k a piece


Did you even played this game? Fireblast have glyphs what prevent split DMG. A lot of skills in game have it without glyphs.
Edited by: Zdzisiu about 1 year ago
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Zdzisiu on 05/15/2012, 04:22 AM - view
Kandori on 05/15/2012, 04:17 AM

let's just say a fireblast on 1 person does... ooo idk.. 10k.

2 ppl let's say.. 5k.?

4 people let's say..... 2.5k..

10 people... 1k a piece


Did you even played this game? Fireblast have glyphs what prevent split DMG. A lot of skills in game have it without glyphs.


It doesn't prevent it, it decreases how much it's split by. I'm a sorcerer, thanks for playing.

Also please read the part about this being a fabricated scenario. The point was to show that regardless of how many targets are hit, the damage you would receive back would be about he same as hitting 1 target.
Edited by: Kandori about 1 year ago
Zdzisiu Profile Options #19

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Look, I play sorc from K-Tera till NA open beta, that is not problem for sorc to hit multiple targets - I did it without problem. And this skill is able to kill all targets in area by one hit = sorc is able to kill himself by cast fireblast on targets with reflect DMG.

But point of this topic is not if sorc is able to kill himself. But how idiotic is that idea and how much it will break PvP and GvG. During GvG that is issue for all AoE classes - 3 of 5 DPS in game. Also that is issue for everyone who want be lonely wolf - with this lame atribute zerg with reflect DMG > skill, gear etc. THIS ATRIBUTE ALLOW TO DEAL DMG EVEN BY SIT AFK.
Edited by: Zdzisiu about 1 year ago
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30% is definetely too much. You should also point that if you enchant it for more you get +10% heal, which is quite noticeable. If there are other chances to stack even heals it MAY be kind of balanced. Surely oneselfshots may be annoying but seen the HP pools at extremely high levels (I'm still a lowbie) it should still be manageable.
Good as a deterrent to abuse of aoe which may cut totally off single target classes in GvG and large battles.