Anyone who claims this stat is not broken, is more than likely a healer. So far, I have only found one player who thinks this stat is balanced out of the dozens I have had discussions with (every single one of them had 30% reflect on their gear though). This one player was a priest, who said it just took more skill on my part to overcome his reflect damage.

As for the 5v5 or 10v10 argument. You guys are going to love seeing what happens to a Sorcerer to casts Fireblast. I have watched groups actually teleport and jump into the red ring of death, to instagib the Sorcerer casting Fireblast (damage to the group instantly healed by a priest AoE).

Name another game where every class has a 10% total health damage shield for PvP? This is what it equates to, when your average dps class hits for 15-20k health and only has 60k health. A damage shield should be equal to a weak DoT, not 3x more damage than the best DoT.

Great video posted on the previous page, showing what 18.2% damage reflect does in PvP. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b00woY-0L0&feature=youtu.be

Now imagine what life will be like in a month, with Masterwork T13, double damage reflect, and a Mirror Charm. This comes out to about 50% damage reflect.

Yea, this is nuts...stacking 30% is even more nuts. At present, a priest can stand still, heal themselves and win. I think refelction should be maxed at 5%

So...stack 30% reflect to reflect their reflect?

Kay totally trolling...but I haven't have a problem with killing priests yet, with reflect or not. Most priest will not constantly top themself off unless they're like at below 50%. So for me I just auto attack until he at such % and chain stuns into a backstab to interupt his heal + more dps. Also had a 18k crit lead into 20k -> 38k crits (Vortex -> Bladedraw to the rear). Yes it hurt to get reflect all that damages back, but my health were well in the 55k+ range still so it didn't matter.

Maybe because warrior are caster bane...or just op...

But the way I see it, if you can't catch a healer to do that massive amount of damage to kill him, and he end the fight with 100% hp and 85% mana. Chance are...even without reflect, you wouldn't have been able to kill him anyway and just gonna die a slow painful deaths from his weaksauce attacks :P

Edit: With that said, yeah I think the stat is OP. My points is there are way around it, all I see is people QQ-ing these day and stop using their brain to beat the system.

Quote: SirBalin on 06/21/2012, 09:01 AM - view

I assure you if a priest stand still and heal, he'll die vs a slayer/warrior, hell even berseker. Just have to time your interupts right.

At least I can assure you I will kill him.

Quote: Soryu on 06/21/2012, 10:32 AM - view

You obviously haven't fought any good players. Come back in a week after you do something other than gank random people doing quests.

Nope, this was a duel with one of the better priest on the server, he have 89k hp, fully +9 with all rep acessorries with all HP crystals, constantly moving around and kite with 30% reflect. But let's go with your logic, say I fought a really good priest and unable to kill them, would 30% reflect matter? or would it just prolong the sure end? Hmmmmmm...

Priest have to kite in pvp, If any warrior say they can't kill a stand still priest then i'm sorry they should /quit pvp. So to counter it, be better than them, catch them and ride their [filtered], put heavy pressure on them. More pressure = more chance they'll messed up. They messed up -> capitalize on their mistake.

Fighting a healer isn't the same as fighting a tank or other dps class. It's not about how much damage you do overall. But it's about how much burst and cc you can put out in a short amount of time to break their heals. So basically you have to take them from a very high % of health to 0 in short period of time. If you can't break their heal, you won't beat them, regardless of reflections or not.

Also I've seen slayer do 29k crit -> 45k crit on a priest, that would take out most average priest. So how is it fair that dps can blown healer up? But if a priest put on some sort of defense against that massive damage they take, all I see is QQ

Quote: Soryu on 06/21/2012, 11:18 AM - view

So because you have landed a lucky crit combo against a priest, damage reflect is fair?

I have crit a priest with 30% less PvP damage for 79k. We are not discussing the obvious flaw with some crystals in PvP. We are discussing a 30% damage shield. This needs to be looked into and toned down to a level where it is a reasonable level, such as 5%. Perhaps they can do some actual testing this time around.

Quote: Soryu on 06/21/2012, 11:18 AM - view

That is not some sort of defense but guaranteed DMg what cannot be voided, reduced or negate. Job of healer is avoid get hit, not take it on face and then reflect.

/signed. No point to this stat. This is my fav. MMO, and if this is not addressed, I will unsub. No questions asked. Idiotic and game-breaking.

Quote: Crossreaper on 06/21/2012, 03:23 AM - view

So essentially you are saying that these classes should not use there higher damage AOE ablitys at all then eh? Essentially nerfting those classes (because of less usefullness in a pvp fight). You play a sorc and see how many ablitys are NOT AOE. Serioiusly.. try it, then come back here and tell me how a sorc can be effective in PVP not using those while you are at it.

Some classes were designed for doing primarally AOE damage, so this reflect is essentially a nerf to those classes by limiting what they can do in a large scale fight.