"I hope they never implement the BG's and actually work on why this game is amazing with PvP.
The OW. Scrap BG's and make GvG more meaningful. Give us the SvS they spout off about at PAX.
Give us an Open World Arena. NOT INSTANCED. Where we can bet on fights etc.
Seriously this game has so much potential to be one of the greats. Lets scrap the idea's that made past games terrible." - Vunak
I saw someone comment this and just had to post it. Vunak is 100% correct and this game is the first in a long time to sport good open world content, they need to move away from the instanced bg's immediatly.
Do you honestly not get how open world pvp works. Unless people have reason to be outside in the field you're not going to see open world pvp. I come from Lineage 2 which is probably the only mmo that still has open world 7v7+ every damn day. The only reason this works is because players have to farm 8 hours a day every day in the top xp spots to stay competitive because the grind is so harsh. This games current state is proof that unless people have an incentive / requirement to pvp for something to advance, it will not happen that much. It's too late to change the grind for xp, best gear comes from instances/nexus and not world bosses.
Nexus is currently the only reason for players to gather in large groups and even with gvg enabled everyone absolutely hates it because this engine is not designed for anything bigger than say 15v15 in a small/medium sized area and it becomes unplayable. There's pvp afterwards sure but it's just random aoes and swings at red markers cos player models haven't loaded. So even if you took the route of making world bosses drop the absolute best gear and giving them fixed+random respawns so players had to lock down the area, nobody would find it enjoyable. It would be just like nexus currently. Neccessary but not fun.
I love open world pvp, don't get me wrong. But this game is not setup for it and you can't force it in a game where it has no place. Very few people use deathmatches outside of in-guild-tournaments. You could put the arena in tomorrow but I bet all it would do is take over Kanstria gate as the sometimes empty sometimes 4 guys are there official duel spot. Besides, where players can bet? Lol Do you think anyone gives a crap about a few K gold. Such a useless idea. I would love for you to prove me wrong but it's so easy and dumb to say "make open world pvp happens, bg sucks booo" and then offer absolutely no suggestions as to how to make 5v5/10v10 a common thing.
Pvp rankings are abuseable. Point based systems like ap on aion are abuseable. Gvg rewards are abuseable. The only way to make a game have solid open world pvp is world bosses (which we already said won't work on this engine / poorly optimised in general game) and xp grind. Bg will be fine and the whole attitude of OPEN WORLD PVP IS THE BEST ALL INSTANCED PVP SUCKS BY DEFAULT COS WHY NOT LOL is real immature. 80% of open world pvp is [filtered] ganks when you have clear advantages anyway and then people trying to justify that.
An arena where we can bet on fights? No thanks. Overly glorified duels in a box are boring. Keep BGs, because people like them. Don't listen to the vocal minority who have something against them and only want their play style and the people like them to enjoy themselves.
"I hope they never implement the BG's and actually work on why this game is amazing with PvP.
The OW. Scrap BG's and make GvG more meaningful. Give us the SvS they spout off about at PAX.
Give us an Open World Arena. NOT INSTANCED. Where we can bet on fights etc.
Seriously this game has so much potential to be one of the greats. Lets scrap the idea's that made past games terrible." - Vunak
I saw someone comment this and just had to post it. Vunak is 100% correct and this game is the first in a long time to sport good open world content, they need to move away from the instanced bg's immediatly.
Oh hai there.
But anyway. People seriously lack imagination when it comes to idea's such as the one I posted about an OW Arena. Just because I said bet on fights doesn't mean thats all its limited too...its just a fun idea to bring people in, and who said it was just a few K of gold. Who knows on guild could pit there champion against another guilds champion and put it all on the line...
As for this games engine limitations... that is probably the dumbest thing I've heard out of these forums in a long time. Your seriously going to compare the Nexus events that have over 100 people out, with everyone AoEing and the mobs themselves AoEing. Do you even realize how much that is to render on someones machine? And your going to compare that to any sort of PvP? Thats stupid.
Not to mention the only reason the Nexus' even draw that many people to them is because they only happen at specific times...its the only way to get PvP gear, theres a fkin server wide message that goes out stating there happening, and you can look on your map and see exactly where they are and which ones are currently being faught/active.
There are video's of 50 v 50 GvG's out of Ktera that ran perfectly fine on peoples machines. And if it doesn't nobody can help that you are playing on a machine from the 90's.
And L2's OW PvP didn't spawn just from World Bosses. Yes it helped a lot but rivalries with sieges and keeps etc had a whole hell of a lot to do with that as well. We have the GvG and rivalries...we just need that extra boost to make it meaningful.
If they would take the GvG system and tie it in with the Political system we might have something there.
As for the Arena being an overly glorified dueling spot, who says its just 1v1? Why couldn't it be your BG DM system. Or make it a system where you sign up your team and have it work something similar to GW1 and there GvG system ranking etc.
It would beat the cluster [filtered] Nexus system we have currently for a gear grind... thats for damn sure.
Its funny how close minded and tunnel vision most of you are.
Do you honestly not get how open world pvp works. Unless people have reason to be outside in the field you're not going to see open world pvp. I come from Lineage 2 which is probably the only mmo that still has open world 7v7+ every damn day. The only reason this works is because players have to farm 8 hours a day every day in the top xp spots to stay competitive because the grind is so harsh. This games current state is proof that unless people have an incentive / requirement to pvp for something to advance, it will not happen that much. It's too late to change the grind for xp, best gear comes from instances/nexus and not world bosses.
Nexus is currently the only reason for players to gather in large groups and even with gvg enabled everyone absolutely hates it because this engine is not designed for anything bigger than say 15v15 in a small/medium sized area and it becomes unplayable. There's pvp afterwards sure but it's just random aoes and swings at red markers cos player models haven't loaded. So even if you took the route of making world bosses drop the absolute best gear and giving them fixed+random respawns so players had to lock down the area, nobody would find it enjoyable. It would be just like nexus currently. Neccessary but not fun.
I love open world pvp, don't get me wrong. But this game is not setup for it and you can't force it in a game where it has no place. Very few people use deathmatches outside of in-guild-tournaments. You could put the arena in tomorrow but I bet all it would do is take over Kanstria gate as the sometimes empty sometimes 4 guys are there official duel spot. Besides, where players can bet? Lol Do you think anyone gives a crap about a few K gold. Such a useless idea. I would love for you to prove me wrong but it's so easy and dumb to say "make open world pvp happens, bg sucks booo" and then offer absolutely no suggestions as to how to make 5v5/10v10 a common thing.
Pvp rankings are abuseable. Point based systems like ap on aion are abuseable. Gvg rewards are abuseable. The only way to make a game have solid open world pvp is world bosses (which we already said won't work on this engine / poorly optimised in general game) and xp grind. Bg will be fine and the whole attitude of OPEN WORLD PVP IS THE BEST ALL INSTANCED PVP SUCKS BY DEFAULT COS WHY NOT LOL is real immature. 80% of open world pvp is [filtered] ganks when you have clear advantages anyway and then people trying to justify that.
I dont think that OWPVP> Instanced is immature at all. Its more than clear to a majority of people that this game has alot of potential in terms of open world pvp and content, and like you said more people would do it if they had incentives to. If they keep going down the instanced road TERA will become more and more generic.
Guys, I think you're missing something very important. There's no reason you can't make OW pvp happen yourselves!
Some rich guild with a vanarchy could go farm some nice gear, then declare their guild leader as a "World Boss" and say whoever kills him, gets the sick loot they just farmed. And they could charge some gold to all the guilds who want to try for it.
If their guild leader was only in their province, then all the players hunting him would come there, which would increase revenue for that guild from taxes when those players make purchases in town.
Why not this? I know it's not perfect, but if the top 5 guilds agreed to do it, then every guild could have a shot at winning great gear by doing some awesome pvp.
I just find it funny that people are whining so much on game forums like MMORPG.com, Massively, IGN, Gamespot, BetaCake, etc. about games being to similar to each other. "Oh this is a WoW Clone" "Oh this is exactly what GW2 is doing" blah blah blah.
Yet they come clamoring onto forums wondering why certain mechanics aren't in certain games that they play...then have the audacity to complain the game is to similar when they are implemented. Going on to say "This game isn't innovative" etc. Why do you think that is? Morons. Because you come asking for the same [filtered] over and over again.
And I do agree Vesu DAoC had some amazing PvP and wish more developers would adopt the open world feel that game had rather then the instanced bull[filtered] so many other games have failed for.
I want battlegrounds with rep rewards towards pvp gear because battlegrounds are fun.
OWPvP is also fun, but that should be up to the community as to how to run it not the devs.
Basically, just let us have both. Thirsty was doing good getting those 3v3 tourneys going for 15k gold prizes. That gold attracts a lot of people. Pay ins don't.
Bg will be fine and the whole attitude of OPEN WORLD PVP IS THE BEST ALL INSTANCED PVP SUCKS BY DEFAULT COS WHY NOT LOL is real immature. 80% of open world pvp is [filtered] ganks when you have clear advantages anyway and then people trying to justify that.
This man is a sage amongst you trash. Please stop this retarded OWPVP mentality. The majority of players are bad and want a clear advantage.
It's sad how I've seen people argue that OWPVP is more balanced than instanced pvp.