Add arena --- you get a demand for gear rewards and constant class balancing.
The cycle of class nerf/buffing will unbalance the rest of the game (result is Fotm).

Add Bgs --- you get a demand for gear rewards and owpvp dissapears.
Can't add owpvp rewards to balance it out, they are exploitable.
Result is afk/bot pug spam bgs for gear.

Add instanced raids with superior gear on pvp servers --- pvp gear counterpart is made, has to be obtained spamming bgs and or arenas.

Solve it, you'll be rich.

We've explained why Arenas are terrible. Because developers tend to center nerfs/buffs around them. If TERA devs don't do that I see no problem with it. However, your assessment of arena's somehow being better and more skilled than battlegrounds is completely wrong. You also have no arguments to back up that claim. Large scale objective based PvP requires much more coordination than you and one, two, or even four of your friends. You have to have team members who listen and you must have leaders who understand basic tactics. The more people you have the greater chance of one of those players making a mistake and costing you a match. Even in an arena deathmatch style fight it's much harder to coordinate a 10v10 deathmatch than 2v2 or even 5v5. Basically with anything above 5 players it's like controlled chaos in there and members of your team have to know their role and stick to it.

Quote: AgentRane on 04/25/2012, 01:47 AM

Dude, how can you make connections between real life sports like american fotball and TENNIS to in-game FIGHTS!? It would be alot more correct to connect to actual fighting sports like Muay Thai or MMA or Boxing to the ingame fights. Where I would honestly applaud any fighter who could win in a 2v1..

With coordination and tactics you can beat better players and win outnumbered if you play on their weaknesses. But that is probably beyond the dimwitted thinking of a PRO arena player such as yourself.

Have you played Darkfall..? You can't have with the retarded point of views you have.. I'm guessing you are a WoW arena "gladiator" or whatever [filtered] titles they have in that game. Since you are affraid of telling me what clan you are in it further proves my point of the carebear nature of yourself.

lol I'd like to see a boxer who can win a 1v2. Or a duo who can win a 2v5 against people in the same league.

Who cares about WoW or Darkfall. MMOs are the least skilled of all games.

But the funniest thing about this thread is, BGs and arenas are guaranteed. They will be in the game, along with rewards. So you might as well quit now newb haha.

Both extremes in this thread are wrong and some of the posts are just outright retarded. 1) Arenas do NOT kill OWpvp, 2) Arenas are not a skill test, it's a comp test/gear test. Sure here and there it actually has something to do with skill but Arenas in the sense that people are used to (WoW) SUCK. They should implement an arena system but it should not have gear rewards, only cosmetics and if any of the pro-arena voters disagree then you're really not in it for skill. Also it should NOT be player versus pillar. LoS in WoW was ridiculous. the arena should be in a wide open world(ish) area that has some LoS but not specific pillars JUST to annoy people. tbh if i were a dev i'd try and just make a deathmatch queue that places you outside velika for each match.

Quote: Cad0 on 04/25/2012, 01:23 PM

We've explained why Arenas are terrible. Because developers tend to center nerfs/buffs around them. If TERA devs don't do that I see no problem with it. However, your assessment of arena's somehow being better and more skilled than battlegrounds is completely wrong. You also have no arguments to back up that claim. Large scale objective based PvP requires much more coordination than you and one, two, or even four of your friends. You have to have team members who listen and you must have leaders who understand basic tactics. The more people you have the greater chance of one of those players making a mistake and costing you a match. Even in an arena deathmatch style fight it's much harder to coordinate a 10v10 deathmatch than 2v2 or even 5v5. Basically with anything above 5 players it's like controlled chaos in there and members of your team have to know their role and stick to it.

Then where should nerfs/buffs be centered around? The same argument could be said from a PvEer saying your PvP nerfs/buffs shouldn't affect our PvE. You make it sound like nerfs/buffs are game-breaking or the end of the world. I think we all agree that classes will never be 100% balanced. The only way a nerf or buff would ever majorly affect you is if you're already the flavor of the month or the most gimped class in the game. But this is really only if you care about ratings/rankings.

And I agree with you that large-scale PvP has the potential to require more coordination than smaller-scale PvP. But let's be honest. There is no HQ with a birds-eye view giving orders to seal team 6 to breach the door while team 5 gives cover fire and each team gets their own squad leader. Any coordination in games like this will come down to one leader designating who heals who and who to kill. Anything further than that and you're deluding yourself to how much coordination is really going to happen let alone be needed. At least in WoW, rated BG ratings meant nothing. PuGs of Arenaers with base minimum coordination will always win against a high-rated bad team (that gets their rating by only coordination) because they can actually hold their own and understand mechanics.