Constructive Elin Thread for En Masse(No BS-promised)

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Actually that 140million is the sales in Manga, not anime. Anime was at 2.8 BILLION from 2007.

Yes, anime is a billion dollar industry in N.A.
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HTakara82 on 03/22/2012, 02:19 AM - view
Actually that 140million is the sales in Manga, not anime. Anime was at 2.8 BILLION from 2007.

Yes, anime is a billion dollar industry in N.A.


Hm, I couldn't find the article, and even on Wikipedia I couldn't find any actual numbers.

Ah wait, i found it: http://www.animenation.net/blog/2009/04/01/us-anime-market-worth-28-billion-in-2007/
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So that's it then. I think I get it now. EME wont cater to the priority target audience because they don't want our money! Er... right? Sarcasm aside, I really don't get it. What is this strong, bravado filled driving force behind the attempt to sell this game to a wide range of people that are completely outside the target market, while stepping on toes and cutting ties with said target at the same time? I REALLY don't think Halo playing frat boys, CoD playing 12 year olds, and bejeweled playing moms would ever really appreciate a game like Tera, no matter how hard they censored the game. If we, the target market wont be there to play it, who will? Is there some sort of genius plan that they have, that I've completely overlooked?
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aniki91344 on 03/22/2012, 02:59 AM - view
So that's it then. I think I get it now. EME wont cater to the priority target audience because they don't want our money! Er... right? Sarcasm aside, I really don't get it. What is this strong, bravado filled driving force behind the attempt to sell this game to a wide range of people that are completely outside the target market, while stepping on toes and cutting ties with said target at the same time? I REALLY don't think Halo playing frat boys, CoD playing 12 year olds, and bejeweled playing moms would ever really appreciate a game like Tera, no matter how hard they censored the game. If we, the target market wont be there to play it, who will? Is there some sort of genius plan that they have, that I've completely overlooked?


No no no, see you've completely missed the point. If EME were to hit the easy target in front of them, it would make their diick look smaller, so instead they are aiming for the moving target going from left to right at 50mph BEHIND the easy to hit target instead, so that way their diicks look way bigger if they actually hit it. Get it? They might accidentally get a few stray bullets on the easy target that make them feel shame, but with each hit on the target behind them, they can feel super manly.
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aniki91344 Profile Options #65

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I'm laughing like no tomorrow here, I'm about to wake up my girlfriend down the hall. And I'm totally all for it, but let's keep it a little hush hush, lol. I like this thread, and I don't want it locked up soon. And we all know if that happens, we'll be forced to open a new thread, and then a bunch of kids will get all angry about opening new threads! Ahh politics, you screwy bit of human nature you!
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so... much... win... in this thread.
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Wow these threads are getting worse and worse. I like how OP states that his post isnt oppinionated and "no bs" and right after that says, "well I think censored elins are fine"

Anyway the existance of all these locked threads alone proves that enmasse dropped the ball here. If they were really going to drastically nerf the art style of elin armours it should have been an option in the game. The majority of people who would care would not be those playing tera anyway. In fact youve got to ask yourself in what way does it impact game sales? Want furter proof? Go look at the stats for how many times that material mod was downloaded. If enmasse bans modding, I'd be one pissed elin player.
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Pyrolight on 03/21/2012, 08:30 PM - view



Anyway it boils down to these questions I would say:

1. Do the Elin appear child-like?

2. Does the general public understand "anime"?

3. Did EME have a reason to worry?

4. Did BHS agree?

5. Did EME overreact?

6. Who did the censors?

7. Could the censors have been done better?



Answeres

1) No (unless you have issues distinguishing fantasy to reality)
2) Yes (to a certain degree) No (to a certain degree) (since it works both ways)
3) No (look at titles in the past)
4) No they didnt agree to 3 = no. (obviosly otherwise this wouldnt have happend)
5) Yes
6) BHS (according to EME statements)
7) Yes


No.1 is the main point people argue about but ill put it very simply.
Its like drawing a stick figure 1 cm tall, then drawing another one twice as big.
Those that say 'yes' to No.1 would have to say that the first stick figure is/looks like a child.
Where as those of us who relize said stick figure is just that ..a drawn stick figure, would say 'No' to No.1

This is a very bassic example and has total relivance to the argument. The only difference between a stick figure and thee Elin in question is the level of detail.
Compared to what the human eye see's in real life, a black and white manga has very little detail BUT some people will still screem to high heaven if they think a character in that manag looks like a child. The same goes for this game. as detailed as it is, it is nothing like real life visual.
Edited by: KenpachiZaraki about 1 year ago
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ilovelolis on 03/22/2012, 06:32 AM - view
Wow these threads are getting worse and worse. I like how OP states that his post isnt oppinionated and "no bs" and right after that says, "well I think censored elins are fine"



I reread some of my previous posts and original post, and I don't think I said anything crystal clear like that, however perhaps I implied it somewhere.

The reason I wrote "no BS, and no opinions" is because my argument for En Masse doesn't rely on whether I think elin censorship is fine or NOT. This isn't one of those threads where I want to discuss the philosophy of censorship and hopefully En Masse realizes I'm right. Whether I, or you, or anyone thinks Elin censorship is fine or not DOESN'T MATTER. En Masse made the decision.

All I want to do is show En Masse that the new designs are bugged; I see Elins running around and the shorts just look distorted, sloppy, with holes in them. An MMO of this caliber should NOT have things like that. This last bit is opinion but I believe it follows.

To recap, the thread is to bring technical problems to attention, not to start a revolution. That boat sailed a long time ago.
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KenpachiZaraki on 03/22/2012, 07:55 AM - view


No.1 is the main point people argue about but ill put it very simply.
Its like drawing a stick figure 1 cm tall, then drawing another one twice as big.
Those that say 'yes' to No.1 would have to say that the first stick figure is/looks like a child.
Where as those of us who relize said stick figure is just that ..a drawn stick figure, would say 'No' to No.1

This is a very bassic example and has total relivance to the argument. The only difference between a stick figure and thee Elin in question is the level of detail. .


Your stick-men analogy is...off. If both sitck-men have the same proportions, people wouldn´t say "the tiny one is clearly a child" but "the tiny one is clearly tinier than the big one". It´s a matter of proportions (and because of them, of perception) not of size.

In drawing and sculpture, the "Classic Canon" for an adult (male or female) is 7 and a half head of height. Human females in TERA have 8 and a half head of height, which is the "Heroic canon". The elin have 6 and a half heads of height, which would put them somewhere between a 6 and 12 years old*.

However, height is not the only thing that contributes to the "elin are children" perception. They have really big eyes, which artists put on characters when they want to convey innocence (or omni-science, or both); their body width is very VERY small: just a head wide. In contrast, TERA's human females' torso has two heads of width which is what most canons use.
The only obvious parts that don´t follow child-y proportions at all are the hands, which are bigger, but that´s probably a design choice to make them look more powerful and able to carry all those oversized weapons.

* Babies and children 5 years old or lower have a proportion ratio of 4-5 heads tall. This starts to change steadily as the child grows into a teenager and later into an adult, reaching the 7-8 and a half head rule.
Disclaimer: It´s worth mentioning that in anime/manga, someone with more than 5 would look like a teenager.
Edited by: Perequerili about 1 year ago