Somniare
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Then there are thousands of people who paid no attention to the changes and proceed to mod the client anyway. lol
Roda
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Lambent on 03/18/2012, 04:35 PM - view
Unless things have changed, only JTera has an IP block.
All you really need to do for KTera is have a "friend" "let" you "borrow" "their" account, or have "them" verify an account "for" you.
Basically you have to steal a Korean's identity, is what I'm saying.
Not recommended.
is that possible?
i thought there was an IP restriction and i'd have to get a proxy server which breaks the rules.
Unless things have changed, only JTera has an IP block.
All you really need to do for KTera is have a "friend" "let" you "borrow" "their" account, or have "them" verify an account "for" you.
Basically you have to steal a Korean's identity, is what I'm saying.
Not recommended.
Pyrolight
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ExValkyrie on 03/18/2012, 05:03 PM - view
Of course there are I don't think anyone would actually argue that. They are a vast minority though.
Considering you all but admit you are not remotely objective at this point I don't think your opinion on who or what is a troll can be trusted.
Some might have looked past not having the originals but I would have been utterly shocked if it even represented 30% of the anti censorship ("I am a big-boy" or "censorship sucks") crowd.
The fact they are censored is the big issue for the bulk of the people "complaining". People who just wanted better art are and would still be the minority if they got it.
It is the censorship that caused the outrage, the quality exasperated it. People were pissed long before the edits became available.
You can't put the cart before the horse.
Banning the Elin players complaining would end the issue and that is the only way.
Stopping the so called "attacks" would not stop the anti censorship crowd since they would exist regardless and it fully supporting improved art would increase the number of threads on the subject so I cannot exactly fathom how you came to your... interesting conclusion.
Again supporting would mean more threads and trolling did not create the anti censorship crowd and their threads.
Since it was BH that did the edits it is extremely likely they decided not to waste a large amount of art time making top notch edits for armours that will be replaced before the new endgame.
I would never expect markedly improved designs at any point for existing armours.
Elin people complain, trolls have fun, Elin people complain louder, trolls have more fun, the circle of life.
1. Yes it causes more chaos
BUT
2. It will not stop people screaming about the censorship issue. That is what needs to stop.
Again even removing every troll people would still complain about the censorship defeating the point and annoying the rest of us to no end.
It's a game forum it will never end heh.
I can't see it helping honestly. People would just complain about EME trying to make us forget about the issue.
People are not overly rational these days.
Anyway the thing that likely bugs me the most in the whole issue is that some people seem to think it was ever about "us" aka the players.
My description of the situation in a nutshell
Ahem;
EME was never worried about the players who would be interesting in TERA being capable of understanding the nature of the Elin or being mature and rational enough to make the distinction between reality and fantasy.
EME was worried about those bat[filtered] crazy mofos who are constantly looking for something to crusade against to make themselves feel important.
EME was worried that they might see some footage of the Elin and start screaming like a frantic howler monkey about how there is the game called TERA that is displaying characters that appear to be children in a perverse manner.
It's a shame said groups wield a disproportionate amount of power and justify their existence by trying to show the world they hold the moral high ground.
I disagree. I'm strongly convinced there are indivisuals out there who hate the race and all it represents, and snarl at the thought that any content be developed for them.
Of course there are I don't think anyone would actually argue that. They are a vast minority though.
As to your assumptions, I have always been promoting better quality as opposed the originals or what not. Don't make strikes at me as if that isn't true, as I was the first to make a thread with that sole purpose. And no, I hate the anti-Elin people more as they provoke Elin fans and troll and get away with it. If I had my way, I'd have every person who ever trolled an Elin played permanently banned, but that would honestly do little to satisfy my rage for this community at this point.
Considering you all but admit you are not remotely objective at this point I don't think your opinion on who or what is a troll can be trusted.
As to the constant threads and whatever annoyance that strikes, it doesn't justify a thing, and really, is only a testament to how bad the quality of the changes were. It is a fact, that if the changes were done well enough, many more people would of looked past not having the originals.
Some might have looked past not having the originals but I would have been utterly shocked if it even represented 30% of the anti censorship ("I am a big-boy" or "censorship sucks") crowd.
The fact they are censored is the big issue for the bulk of the people "complaining". People who just wanted better art are and would still be the minority if they got it.
Instead of using the changes as an opportunity to improve on designs though, they took a very obvious short-cut, and the forum rage is the repercussion to it. It really isn't much more complicated than that.
It is the censorship that caused the outrage, the quality exasperated it. People were pissed long before the edits became available.
You can't put the cart before the horse.
If people truly want the threads to end, they should stop their attacks and instead recognize that the changes were not good enough in terms to the demand of quality that such a sensitive issue demanded. For you see, what many people seem to forget in this, is that this was a very sensitive issue for a fairly long time.
Banning the Elin players complaining would end the issue and that is the only way.
Stopping the so called "attacks" would not stop the anti censorship crowd since they would exist regardless and it fully supporting improved art would increase the number of threads on the subject so I cannot exactly fathom how you came to your... interesting conclusion.
Again supporting would mean more threads and trolling did not create the anti censorship crowd and their threads.
I wager that EME already saw this response incoming and decided that they would rather rely on the Elins inherit cuteness to their fan base instead of taking the time and resources to make quality changes, and instead, will try to make it up with improved new designs down the road.
Since it was BH that did the edits it is extremely likely they decided not to waste a large amount of art time making top notch edits for armours that will be replaced before the new endgame.
I would never expect markedly improved designs at any point for existing armours.
Maybe that sounds just, and I do admit, the newest designs I have seen are very nice to me and even seem influenced by multiple suggestions I made to them personally. Regardless though, the rage is simply a price for how they decided to go about things, and it will not cease in response to trolls. In-fact, that only pushes many to complain more.
Elin people complain, trolls have fun, Elin people complain louder, trolls have more fun, the circle of life.
I'd recommend trying to calm those provoking the Elin players down instead as that isn't doing anything to help those who are upset to be more organized. It is only causing more chaos and more discourse.
1. Yes it causes more chaos
BUT
2. It will not stop people screaming about the censorship issue. That is what needs to stop.
Again even removing every troll people would still complain about the censorship defeating the point and annoying the rest of us to no end.
As to when this whole thing will end, it probably won't be for a while, as these new great designs are fairly far down the road.
It's a game forum it will never end heh.
It's a long term remedy to a very immediate problem to say the least. I believe what EME should do, is provide some sort of band-aid to the issue till then. I honestly believe if they made a few fashion over-skin outfits with this mysterious undergarment slot, as a means for vanity costumes of sorts, that it could go a long way in helping people forget about what they are upset about. Not to mention, it's something that could be given to all races and not just the Elins, so it has reason to be a good hit among a diverse group of players. But that's just one of many suggestions that would work. ;P
I can't see it helping honestly. People would just complain about EME trying to make us forget about the issue.
People are not overly rational these days.
Anyway the thing that likely bugs me the most in the whole issue is that some people seem to think it was ever about "us" aka the players.
My description of the situation in a nutshell
Ahem;
EME was never worried about the players who would be interesting in TERA being capable of understanding the nature of the Elin or being mature and rational enough to make the distinction between reality and fantasy.
EME was worried about those bat[filtered] crazy mofos who are constantly looking for something to crusade against to make themselves feel important.
EME was worried that they might see some footage of the Elin and start screaming like a frantic howler monkey about how there is the game called TERA that is displaying characters that appear to be children in a perverse manner.
It's a shame said groups wield a disproportionate amount of power and justify their existence by trying to show the world they hold the moral high ground.
Fabzor
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The funny thing is this is just data you've collected off the forums. If you look on external sites you'll find that over 4000 people have downloaded the Elin mod and there are still others who don't mind the shorts but wish they did a better job. If you put this into consideration you have about an entire server full of people who want EME/Bluehole to graphically do a better job on the shorts. That's gotta count for something and tbh, EME should do something about it. A copy and paste job is just not good enough.
Siorn
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lol i want to see his mod numbers in open beta then at launch he should separate them and do like a line graph or something. Overall Elin downloads then like choose a few key dates to show the massive increases
coolgy
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Hey cool I'm in this thread....
I can honestly understand how you guys feel, and as someone who is very familiar with Eastern games I feel for you guys, but it all boils down to media.
I mean just look their reactions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWXrCzE9vt0
From 5:40 onwards:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg4h6OKrBYk
Im just showing a few examples, but at the end of the day, no matter how offended you are by the changes done to the Elins, it will not out weigh the potential media crisis surrounding them.
Dont bring up lore, dont bring up 'originality' and dont bother saying 'they're not 11 year olds, they 100s of years old' because at the end of the day it doesn't matter to the media.
FWI: Still planning on playing Elins, despite the, IMO, MINOR COSMETIC changes.
I can honestly understand how you guys feel, and as someone who is very familiar with Eastern games I feel for you guys, but it all boils down to media.
I mean just look their reactions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWXrCzE9vt0
From 5:40 onwards:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg4h6OKrBYk
Im just showing a few examples, but at the end of the day, no matter how offended you are by the changes done to the Elins, it will not out weigh the potential media crisis surrounding them.
Dont bring up lore, dont bring up 'originality' and dont bother saying 'they're not 11 year olds, they 100s of years old' because at the end of the day it doesn't matter to the media.
FWI: Still planning on playing Elins, despite the, IMO, MINOR COSMETIC changes.
Edited by: coolgy
about 1 year ago
Neonie
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If CNN or Fox really wanted to do a story on it, they would find a way to mod their client to look at the originals anyway. Just like they found a way to do Rapelay coverage on that game a year after it was taken off shelves by the publisher, and any and all controversy surrounding it had already died off. If media wants to do a negative story on your product, they will find a way to do it.
As for people who react negatively to the Elin's, it doesn't matter HOW much you change them, if people are going to react negatively, they are just going to react negatively no matter how much or little clothing they are wearing.
As for people who react negatively to the Elin's, it doesn't matter HOW much you change them, if people are going to react negatively, they are just going to react negatively no matter how much or little clothing they are wearing.
coolgy
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Neonie on 03/18/2012, 08:03 PM - view
Well i think its safe to say there is no way for either of us to know because we're both just assuming things. I believe it did make a difference in how they could've been perceived by the media, and you're saying that it didn't make a difference, but theres no way anyone will ever know how everyone who doesn't understand the changes/is not aware of KTera would have reacted to the original clothing.
So I think its only safe to say that EME believes they are doing the right thing.
If CNN or Fox really wanted to do a story on it, they would find a way to mod their client to look at the originals anyway. Just like they found a way to do Rapelay coverage on that game a year after it was taken off shelves by the publisher, and any and all controversy surrounding it had already died off. If media wants to do a negative story on your product, they will find a way to do it.
As for people who react negatively to the Elin's, it doesn't matter HOW much you change them, if people are going to react negatively, they are just going to react negatively no matter how much or little clothing they are wearing.
Well i think its safe to say there is no way for either of us to know because we're both just assuming things. I believe it did make a difference in how they could've been perceived by the media, and you're saying that it didn't make a difference, but theres no way anyone will ever know how everyone who doesn't understand the changes/is not aware of KTera would have reacted to the original clothing.
So I think its only safe to say that EME believes they are doing the right thing.
Lurkios
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coolgy on 03/18/2012, 08:11 PM - view
Once again, the issue is not that the Elins were censored.
The issue is that the censors are functionally broken and aesthetically awful.
The media has nothing to do with it. Nothing at all. The censors are there, the censors are staying there. We just want them to look good.
Well i think its safe to say there is no way for either of us to know because we're both just assuming things. I believe it did make a difference in how they could've been perceived by the media, and you're saying that it didn't make a difference, but theres no way anyone will ever know how everyone who doesn't understand the changes/is not aware of KTera would have reacted to the original clothing.
So I think its only safe to say that EME believes they are doing the right thing.
Once again, the issue is not that the Elins were censored.
The issue is that the censors are functionally broken and aesthetically awful.
The media has nothing to do with it. Nothing at all. The censors are there, the censors are staying there. We just want them to look good.
Edited by: Lurkios
about 1 year ago
sonic101mk2
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In the videos coolgy showed, the censorship is in place and that guy STILL had a huge issue with playing them dropping comments like " I'm going to jail for this". Greatly over reacting IMHO but I digress, The censorship did nothing but aggravate elin fans and give trolls ammo.