As for the censors, personally i find it very insulting that they felt the need to do it. But i dont blame the company EME or the blue hole studios. I blame the people that screamed child porn.

concept of reality any longer...

Someone who wants the race forum to actually BE the race forum and not the "piss and moan about how my Elin will have imperfect crotch textures" forum for a change.

Cleaned up the last few posts that went way off topic into nothing more than back-and-forth insults and flaming.

Please try to keep the thread on topic and avoid violating the forum rules.

Thanks,

Yurian

Quote: Destian on 2012-03-03 22:19:38 UTC

I'm going to say this again, and MAYBE it'll sink in this time:

NO...ONE...WHO...ISN'T...BAT-[filtered]...CRAZY...CARES!!!

respond with ridiculous nonsense like "No one gets upset over hentai, therefore no one will get upset over Elin!" (ignoring all of the people who do get upset over hentai), there's really not much to say to these people.

The comic outlines EME's decision and why they made it, and it outlines why they refuse to acknowledge the issue (also because it's a minuscule portion of the fans who are complaining).

lol. Since you seem to care a lot, that makes you....?

I wonder who said no one gets upset, therefore no one will? I know I said EME/BH shouldn't get upset, and gave historical basis for that, but never said that no one would get upset, hence the stuffed shirt article mention. Hell, there's a few billion Muslims that would get upset just over seeing an Elim's uncovered face, so we should cover all the toons head to toe to make Muslims happy? /facepalm. But I consider that irrational on their part, just as I consider anyone upset over the original Elim designs irrational. I use a very simple comparison for this; if I were to go to a beach, would the average child be wearing more or less than the Elin? Since the answer is less, then even ignoring that the Elim are not children, then the Elim designs were fine and no censoring was required. Had this game been released in a Muslim country, the answer would have been more, and censorship would have been the correct decision.

"But the Elim are not at the beach!" Doesn't matter. If it is socially acceptable to see children in two piece swimsuits, then that sets the boundary between wholesome and perverted. If the Elim had been topless, I'd be on your side. Had they no panties at all, I'd be on your side. Had I been Muslim, I'd be on your side. Had I been a deeply religious person who considered the body evil, I'd be on your side. If the new designs had been the old designs and there were people upset because they wanted even less clothing, I wouldn't even be weighing in on this issue, because I could care less about what the Elim are wearing, as long as it is well done, stylish and maintains the overall cuteness of the toon. I just hate it when people try to force their narrow vision on what is right or wrong on everyone else, which is why I'm not on your side. Had you been born and raised in Japan, you would most likely be on my side.

This issue really only comes down to one single point; in Japan, until fairly recently, a town only had one public bath, it was not divided into male/female sections, so a man saw naked girls every day. Nudity isn't a big deal there, even after 7 years of occupation in which we tried our best to instill our hated of our bodies into them. Doesn't appear to be a big deal in Korea, either. But it is a big deal here, in a country founded by religious, prudish people who view the body as evil. We're a country not as bad off as Muslim countries, but not much better either, and certainty not on a par with some Asian societies. And the residue of this country's religious beginnings still exists today, as can be seen by people irrationally upset over an animated, light-hearted, carefree, non-human fox girl in more clothing than a real girl would wear at the beach. /facepalm

I have a wholesome, children's film by Miyazaki, (Totoro) the most respected anime director in Japan, and I hesitate to show it to friends, because there is a scene with the father taking a bath with his two daughters, one of which looks older than any Elim. No one gets upset in Japan over this scene because it was a normal occurrence there during the film's setting. Here in America, a father would be charged with indecent exposure with a minor. It's the difference between cultures and why this whole argument even exists.

I would venture that the fans, such as yourself, who complain about the complainers, are a minuscule portion of the population. The fact that the forums are flooded with this subject indicates that it is not a minuscule portion of the population upset over an irrational decision to censer the American release. For the record, I've seen your name since the first page or two of this discussion. I only came in at page 35, give or take one, mostly because it's the weekend and I'm bored, with my WOW toons maxxed out for the week.

And, try to understand, you keep phrasing it as people upset because they can't see panties. I'm pretty sure the root cause of their disapproval of the changes is due to being upset because America was singled out for censorship, and treated differently from other countries, implying that there is something inferior about our country.