Elins new American clothes and the Castanic prostitutes.

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Destian on 2012-03-04 04:48:01 UTC - view
it is not EME/BHS' fault even ONE BIT for not wanting to risk angering the people who would cry child porn.

Get this through your thick skulls, people: they made a BUSINESS DECISION to censor it to ensure it wasn't poorly received in the NA market.

If you can't figure out why it may have been poorly received in the NA market, you've probably watched too much anime to have any concept of reality any longer...


You are as usual missing the point.

What if the game had african-american textures, but racists complained that the game was a REGGIN game (backwards spelling). Then EME change all brown textures to white textures.

This would then be a business decision to appeal to the majority of NA market. But it would also upset people that they'd actually cut out african-american's from the game, due to racist comments.

That is exactly what this Elin discussion is about. EME listened to the wrong crowd of narrow minded haters, and ended up upsetting people who aren't narrow minded.


And knowing what goes well in America and what doesn't go well, is very hard to judge on assumptions. Take FFXI for example and the Ninja class. You can use a 2 hour ability to blow yourself up. But that is TERRORIST behavior? It is impossible to sell FFXI in America, where the fear of terrorists are big.

But you know what? FFXI did sell, even with terrorist content. There is no reason Tera wouldn't have sold, even with original armors.

Of course, you could claim that a girl in revealing clothes is worse than 9/11, but it would just show how narrow minded you really are in your insecurity about sexuality.
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Cynthric on 2012-03-03 21:23:22 UTC - view
A non-biased poll would have had the choices "1. Original designs, 2. New designs, 3. New designs if they are improved upon". The word "censored" is always viewed negatively but "new" doesn't make it have a positive or negative bias. The 3rd choice is because if I'm to believe what so many people have been saying at this point there are more people who have given in to the reality that EME will never do a revert and simply want the designs of the changes to be improved which is reasonable. Not including that 3rd choice is going to cause those people to either not vote or vote on the 1st choice because it's the closest thing available to the choice they would of picked. Also for the record I don't hate the Elin, I'd even play as one if there was a male equivalent (the popori don't count to me) simply because I don't play female characters in mmos.


You do not seem to understand how unsuitable alternative 3 is.

First off, it is still an assumption that EME would do any more changes to it. Why should a poll include alternatives that may not even be alternatives?

Secondly, improved means different things for everyone, but it always means better. So why would anyone pick any other option than "The better Elin armors"?

Thirdly, there is no time frame, so it let's EME go with "Oh we don't have to change anything, as long as we in 10 years add some details to the armors". And I'm not sure people would have voted for "new armors if they are improved in 10 years".

The reality is more that on launch, EME's opinion of the changes will be cemented. Regardless of which armors they have on launch, if the games sell, they'll think "Oh this is exactly what people wanted, so we won't bother changing anything". Which means original armors on launch would make them lose their doubts on the issue, and new armors on launch would make them think no further changes are needed. Which means for us players, launching with the poor quality new armors is our worst alternative. Launching with improved armors would be an option of course, but EME has 2 months to do that, and after that it is unlikely they'll ever work on the armors again.


Further you seem to not pay attention to what you are writing. You claim "censored" has a negative meaning, while you claim "new" would not have any positive link. Clearly all companies must have missed this when they proudly announce things like "New taste!" for cookies or "New recipe!" for microwave food. "New" would have had a too positive wording as well.

If anything, it should have said "original armors" and "current armors", which is as neutral as you can get. Not like the options change depending on how you word it. Current armors, new armors, censored armors, are all the same.
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realize I just posted this in another thread that is right next to this one, but it bears repeating in the thread with more activity:

It is important to note that if this change was made for us, the NA audience with our sensibilities and likes in mind. They failed.

source:https://forum.tera-europe.com/showthread.php?t=22012&page=30

obviously the poll is gone now with the forum update, but the results were pretty clear
A small group of people liked the change and six times that many wanted to see the original artwork in the NA release.
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Elin wonders if persons that are offended by clothes that are not substantial have ever been to a beach in North America. Elin knows for a fact that things worn on such beaches are far more revealing than any Elin outfit, and the ages of said people on the beaches in such things would range from much younger to much older than any comparisons to Elin that have ever been made. Elin does not understand this double standard.
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Destian on 2012-03-04 04:48:01 UTC - view
it is not EME/BHS' fault even ONE BIT for not wanting to risk angering the people who would cry child porn.

Get this through your thick skulls, people: they made a BUSINESS DECISION to censor it to ensure it wasn't poorly received in the NA market.

If you can't figure out why it may have been poorly received in the NA market, you've probably watched too much anime to have any concept of reality any longer...


If you haven't figured it out, TERA is essentially an anime game. The clothing, character design, weapon design are lock in step with anime culture. As such, it will be poorly received by those who hate anime, neutrally received by those who don't know anime, greatly received by those who love anime and the game mechanics. The only people likely to lambast the game for being child porn are ill-informed individuals unfamiliar with anime and confused about what constitutes child porn. For the record, there is now and never has been child porn in this game. So, if it was a business decision, it was a poor one, as they ended up angering those likely to buy the game in favor of those not likely to buy the game.

For myself, I've gone from buying the game with a commitment to a yearly payment to I'm going to evaluate the game closely to see if I want to extend my playing time after the first month, and if so, whether it should be monthly versus yearly. Companies that make bad business decisions are shaky investments.
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I'm a female gamer who thinks, censored or not, the Elin are adorable. I never once thought of them as children, but always saw them for what they are~ an anime-inspired FANTASY race. I am so sick of people who would label or insinuate liking the Elin makes me a pedophile. It is BEYOND INSULTING. That is all.
Edited by: PinkPanda about 1 year ago - Reason: wording
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This is how EME dodges things after all I wanted was them to responed to why they did this and what gave them the idea too do this. Also what they plan to do too fix the problem. They still have yet to anwser the questions I ask and have play the dodge game with me 3 times now with the all time bot reply that goes like this.

Here the EME bot reply you will get when they hear Elin outfits: The Elin armor designs in the North American release of TERA were created with the North American player base in mind

Once mail them a few more times since they kept dodgeing what I was asking them

Here what EME repley was: We will not be answering anymore issues you have pertaining to the Elin and there outfits. We are more than happy to help with anything else that you need as long as it doesn't involve the Elin and there outfits. Thank you for your support and long live the Federation!!

Kyle “GM Woookeemosabei”
EME Customer Support - Specialist
Edited by: Zuer about 1 year ago
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Malamasala on 2012-03-04 10:33:05 UTC - view
What if the game had african-american textures, but racists complained that the game was a REGGIN game (backwards spelling). Then EME change all brown textures to white textures.

This would then be a business decision to appeal to the majority of NA market. But it would also upset people that they'd actually cut out african-american's from the game, due to racist comments.


The players who support, don't mind, or don't care about the changes to Elin armor are NOT akin to racists. Take your extreme, offensive, and dangerous rhetoric somewhere else. It doesn't belong in any rational discussion between mature individuals.

-Travail.
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Zuer on 2012-03-04 21:45:38 UTC - view
This is how EME dodges things after all I wanted was them to responed to why they did this and what gave them the idea too do this. Also what they plan to do too fix the problem. They still have yet to anwser the questions I ask and have play the dodge game with me 3 times now with the all time bot reply that goes like this.

Here the EME bot reply you will get when they hear Elin outfits: The Elin armor designs in the North American release of TERA were created with the North American player base in mind

Once mail them a few more times since they kept dodgeing what I was asking them

Here what EME repley was: We will not be answering anymore issues you have pertaining to the Elin and there outfits. We are more than happy to help with anything else that you need as long as it doesn't involve the Elin and there outfits. Thank you for your support and long live the Federation!!

Kyle “GM Woookeemosabei”
EME Customer Support - Specialist


How is you bugging them constantly over and issue they said was done and dealt with dodging the issue? I'm surprised they didn't ban you after bugging them enough they had o send the second msg
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Retief on 2012-03-04 15:11:03 UTC - view
If you haven't figured it out, TERA is essentially an anime game. The clothing, character design, weapon design are lock in step with anime culture. As such, it will be poorly received by those who hate anime, neutrally received by those who don't know anime, greatly received by those who love anime and the game mechanics. The only people likely to lambast the game for being child porn are ill-informed individuals unfamiliar with anime and confused about what constitutes child porn. For the record, there is now and never has been child porn in this game. So, if it was a business decision, it was a poor one, as they ended up angering those likely to buy the game in favor of those not likely to buy the game.

For myself, I've gone from buying the game with a commitment to a yearly payment to I'm going to evaluate the game closely to see if I want to extend my playing time after the first month, and if so, whether it should be monthly versus yearly. Companies that make bad business decisions are shaky investments.


Not all anime features underage girls in skimpy outfits. Most of them don't, in fact. You need to stop this false equivalency between those who "understand" anime, and those who agree with your position.

-Travail.
Edited by: Travail about 1 year ago