Elins new American clothes and the Castanic prostitutes.

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Sanova on 2012-03-04 22:04:21 UTC - view
Zuer on 2012-03-04 21:45:38 UTC
This is how EME dodges things after all I wanted was them to responed to why they did this and what gave them the idea too do this. Also what they plan to do too fix the problem. They still have yet to anwser the questions I ask and have play the dodge game with me 3 times now with the all time bot reply that goes like this.



Here the EME bot reply you will get when they hear Elin outfits: The Elin armor designs in the North American release of TERA were created with the North American player base in mind



Once mail them a few more times since they kept dodgeing what I was asking them



Here what EME repley was: We will not be answering anymore issues you have pertaining to the Elin and there outfits. We are more than happy to help with anything else that you need as long as it doesn't involve the Elin and there outfits. Thank you for your support and long live the Federation!!



Kyle “GM Woookeemosabei”

EME Customer Support - Specialist




How is you bugging them constantly over and issue they said was done and dealt with dodging the issue? I'm surprised they didn't ban you after bugging them enough they had o send the second msg


I wrote them 3 times and they didn't answer what I ask them. So quit trolling or learn how too read!
Edited by: Zuer about 1 year ago
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Travail on 2012-03-04 22:00:56 UTC - view
The players who support, don't mind, or don't care about the changes to Elin armor are NOT akin to racists. Take your extreme, offensive, and dangerous rhetoric somewhere else. It doesn't belong in any rational discussion between mature individuals.

-Travail.


Of course those who don't mind or don't care are not akin to racists. But you are quite delusional if you think those who support removing things because of their opinions, are any different than racists who want african-americans removed because of their opinions.

The moment you stop caring for the others opinions, is when you are no different than a racist. That is why some of us reasonable adults here suggest allowing modding, or two clients, or toggle modes and all that stuff that allows us to co-exist with our opinions.
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Sanova on 2012-03-04 22:04:21 UTC - view


How is you bugging them constantly over and issue they said was done and dealt with dodging the issue? I'm surprised they didn't ban you after bugging them enough they had o send the second msg


Zuer on 2012-03-04 22:24:16 UTC

I wrote them 3 times and they didn't answer what I ask them. So quit trolling or learn how too read!


you bugged them 3 times regarding a subject they've discussed at length and said won't change under any circumstances. I stand by my statement I'm surprised they didn't ban you. When they said no the first time you should have taken the hint. Honestly I wish they had banned you because I don't want you in my game
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They didn't say that there is not room for improvements, or changes. The whole censorship is silly to began with now that i've looked at more mmo's, and what's already been out on the market for years. Games, Movies that are being sold in US that have these characters, and the ratings. Some with ratings as small as "T" yet have more factors than the elins combined. It's this forced 'westernization' process over here that's gotten under folks skin, hence the ragging that happened before.

Third Closed Beta is coming up. It's disappointing seeing that other community needs are being met, but players simply asking for better looking edits than these plaster ones goes ignored.

Tera was still in beta development since 2011 and going back(remember alpha beta testing?). That's a whole year + but what we're seeing on the elins is work that could have been done in 30 minutes in a day or a week.

Remember Elins were unplayable during Alpha Testing because of the changes. No clue what they had looked like until recently back during the beginning of the stress-test server prior to CBT1.

And now, with retail 3 months around the corner this is the current edits done to the armors. No response, nothing. Just avoidance.

Kinda wonder how future games are going to be handled here if its a game that has another of these characters, IF they do.
Edited by: ChoppaGurl about 1 year ago
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Malamasala on 2012-03-04 10:33:05 UTC - view
That is exactly what this Elin discussion is about. EME listened to the wrong crowd of narrow minded haters, and ended up upsetting people who aren't narrow minded.


On forums - before they announcend their aims (not on forums of course - it was dig from some interview somewhere) - noone complained or talked about Elins - not in this context at least. So as far as their main playerbase goes (inc. roughly 25% that will be playing Elins as main characters, so far judging from decently sampled polls) - they didn't even give a damn about anything they were saying - or rather - not saying or asking for at all.

There was of course suspicion they would do /something/ - considering total elin "blackout" since the beginning - be it FGT tests or official materials.

Repeating again - ironically, the changes are a mockery of censorship. Not because of quality, but because of complete 0 censoring/calming (for easily offended) effect they were supposed to have. Hell, they could ninja swap the textures before next CBT, and people not knowing about the whole thing wouldn't even notice for the most part.
Edited by: msoltyspl about 1 year ago
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No body liked the answers given by ENMasse in the past.

Sadly by ENMasse not spamming these answers constantly you will have countless people saying they are not listening or don't care.
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i could probably say this until i am blue in the face but i'll say it 1 more time before i really just get bored and go watch some television.

if you think that 1 race's armor is so important that it will make or break the game, then hey, the game is broken to you, you will never enjoy yourself playing this game, you'll just spam chats until half the server has you on ignore and the other half is just afk so they cant put you on ignore yet. so there is the door, sorry something minor, that you think is so incredibly horrible, has ruined your day.

more threads? not needed. more HARASSING the makers of the game? wont help you. more people with picket signs saying censorship is wrong? easily shrugged off. you guys are only making yourselves angrier and angrier, and that stress is unnecessary.

oh, and to some of you people saying the US is so horrible for needing to censor something when its not in other countries honestly, i hate to say this, but you are some of the worst people on here, i cant tell if you are trying to troll or you just genuinly dont know whats going on in the world around you. its the US that allows you to make your hateful comments over minor things, in the US you can walk up to any politician and be like "hey i disagree...and your mom is a harry ape." you wont be shot on sight, you wont be taken away in handcuffs, your family will infact see you again. some countries if you have a voice, you also get a headstone.

am i saying the US is perfect? hell no, am i saying its the best country in the world? not a chance. however, i also know we could be A LOT worse off. sorry to burst some of your bubbles.
Edited by: Sky55 about 1 year ago
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Open-discussions as long as there within the guidelines are allowed. If people can talk about dungeon teleporters and such, certainly other aspects of the game can be talked as well. As mentioned earlier there are plenty of other games besides TERA who have characters that would be considered way *worse* than the elins.

Asking for better changes considering that censorship was in-place of the armor is legit. If it's going to be changed, then players should be able to talk about those changes as freely as other players who can talk about dungeons, crafting issues, etc. There is no bubble busting. If it looks bad, then it just looks bad.

Changes are still being made.En-Masse has said on their front page that they are listening to "player feedback". Elin whether liked or not, is also part of "player feedback" since they are in the game.

@Gezodiac

Still CB2 with CB3 up-coming this week. Aside from that, there still hasn't been any responses from En-Masse officially if improved armor changes will be considered in the development or possible future of TERA for the NA.
Edited by: ChoppaGurl about 1 year ago
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ChoppaGurl on 2012-03-05 01:04:25 UTC - view
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Open-discussions as long as there within the guidelines are allowed. If people can talk about dungeon teleporters and such, certainly other aspects of the game can be talked as well. As mentioned earlier there are plenty of other games besides TERA who have characters that would be considered way *worse* than the elins.

Asking for better changes considering that censorship was in-place of the armor is legit. If it's going to be changed, then players should be able to talk about those changes as freely as other players who can talk about dungeons, crafting issues, etc. There is no bubble busting. If it looks bad, then it just looks bad.

Changes are still being made.En-Masse has said on their front page that they are listening to "player feedback". Elin whether liked or not, is also part of "player feedback" since they are in the game.


And I, personally, find that perfectly valid. After all, this is what these forums are for. Letting En Masse know that you're not happy with the Elin modifications is perfectly reasonable feedback that En Masse is looking for.

What irritates me and many other people on this subject is the way certain individuals blow it out of proportion and try to act as if En Masse is some evil, corrupt corporation that is taking away their basic human rights by implementing these modification. That, to me, is insulting. That is insulting to En Masse. It is insulting to any one who likes the Elin race. It is insulting to the community. And it is insulting to people who are actually out there, fighting censorship in the real world caused by actually corrupt and evil parties.

There is nothing wrong with wanting better quality from En Masse. I personally find the current state of changes fine, but I realize that others may disagree with me. The reason I used to respect ExValkyrie and a few other individuals on this topic is precisely because they tried to voice their opinion through constructive discussion and letting En Masse know that they simply want better quality. They didn't falsely cry censorship. They didn't point fingers. And they didn't cause unneeded drama. That is perfectly valid and justified. Sadly, even ExValkyrie seems to have resorted to personal attacks against individuals, as have I. I guess we're just getting tired of this whole thing on all sides and losing patience. This whole thing has been dragging on for much, much longer than it was necessary.

This is why I accused Malamasala of being misinformed and misrepresentation. I find the whole "crusade" against "censorship" and "preserving the artistic integrity of the designers" to be absolutely baffling, if not insulting. Presenting biased statistics, pointing fingers, and making a mountain out of a molehill does nothing but disrupting the community and making enemies.
Edited by: Synusoidal about 1 year ago
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Here's the problem with the entire debacle at this point...

My guess is this: EME thinks the armors look fine. They were created by BHS and EME doesn't want to bother them for a second round of changes.

Furthermore, (and this is the REAL problem...) hiding among the people who genuinely don't like the way the armor looks are people who are NEVER going to be happy with ANY level of quality of armor changes because they will not be happy with anything LESS than the removal of the censoring and fully intend to feign unhappiness with every version BHS produces.

And hiding among THOSE people are pedophiles. Not saying anyone here is a pedophile, but I think my comic was fairly accurate in that pedobear IS hiding among the fans who really don't like the armors (the real pedos probably haven't said anything yet because the debate is still raging. As soon as it quiets down, I expect them to come out of the woodwork and pick up the torch).

Bottom line, EME doesn't want to get into a subjective debate with pedophiles. They can never win. No matter how many changes to the armor they make, there will ALWAYS be people complaining because there will always be some people who will NEVER be happy until the censoring is removed and will keep whining in the hopes that EME will give in and remove the censoring.

This is why this discussion will NEVER go anywhere: EME is not going to try to please a group of people when, hiding among them, are people who will never be pleased with anything less than the removal of the censorship.