Elins new American clothes and the Castanic prostitutes.

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Lokiie1984 on 03/08/2012, 12:13 PM - view
Didnt they also say once its finished they wont be changing it again? So no feedback until its finished, but that feed back wont be listened to anyway.

Thats like saying they want our feedback but they wont listen to it until the game releases. What was beta for then?

Scratch that, they already said during a podcast that the betas mostly for hype.


I've never seen them say they weren't going to make any changes after the initial changes are finished. Back on the old forums they kept saying they'd take feedback to improve the changes after the first changes are finished (kind of hard to give proper feedback on unfinished designs no?). If you're talking about those automated messages people kept getting from spamming support tickets those were likely just to stop the spamming >.>
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I think thats the biggest problem here. So many things were said on the old forums that no one got to see. I kind of wonder how many answers to these questions might have been posted there by devs that now are gone.

I would like a dev or mod or some one in an official manor to come an say that the changes arnt final and that after the beta they will take more feedback an consider our opinions. But im not exactly going to hold my breath, every thing we have seen so far seems to say that they are in fact final.
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Would be nice if they'd come out and confirm that. I just think they're really busy preparing the game for launch and after so long are probably just seeing most of these things as spam instead of really looking at it. Also there was a rule in the old forums against calling out EME employees. That rule is probably still in effect here. Could be part of the reason for all the ignoring.
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Lokiie1984 on 03/08/2012, 12:27 PM - view
I would like a dev or mod or some one in an official manor to come an say that the changes arnt final and that after the beta they will take more feedback an consider our opinions. But im not exactly going to hold my breath, every thing we have seen so far seems to say that they are in fact final.


I'd have absolutely no problem if they were to come in here and say that the bad armors would be in the game for open beta, or even launch, but that they have every intention of improving them - with the help of community feedback, sometime (not years) after. Just something to acknowledge that they know these armors are terrible and some promise to work on them.
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Maybe some one should write the perfect ticket to support. Detailing how we are asking about the armor edits and if they are final, make sure to let them know that its not about removing the censors. But just the edits them selves.

I could see how they might just be glancing at the elin tickets an not giving them a good read an then answer based on what they think they say.
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Cynthric on 03/08/2012, 12:07 PM - view
The announcement was a complete accident. Don't think they had any intention of announcing it. At least not until they were done. Also the reason they haven't been listening to feedback is because they said they aren't accepting feedback until the changes are finished in their current state. Which apparently isn't until at least open beta according to them.

I don't believe in "accidental announcements". It's either you announce something or you don't. To announce to the public or to a community assumes that it's premeditated and you're prepared for whatever consequences it entails. In this case, either EME wasn't prepared for the consequences from the massive negative feedback or they did not particularly care what they were. As for their "planned initial redesigns" you stated there is no proof that it was passed to BHS or even worked upon. For all we know EME just stated that in attempt to appease the mass raging players who supported the Elins. But that doesn't matter now since we got these crappy diaper shorts and belly button protectors as our alternative and EME had kept them hush-hush til CBT started. That's a great way to stick the middle finger to your Elin playerbase.

And how can EME say they're not accepting any more feedback when they never really asked the community for it? That's just another pathetic attempt for them to dodge the issue and reduce the flack they're getting from all the hate and anger posts/tickets. Their decision was purely on their own accord with no influence whatsoever from this community.

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exalted on 03/08/2012, 12:45 PM - view
I don't believe in "accidental announcements". It's either you announce something or you don't. To announce to the public or to a community assumes that it's premeditated and you're prepared for whatever consequences it entails. In this case, either EME wasn't prepared for the consequences from the massive negative feedback or they did not particularly care what they were. As for their "planned initial redesigns" you stated there is no proof that it was passed to BHS or even worked upon. For all we know EME just stated that in attempt to appease the mass raging players who supported the Elins. But that doesn't matter now since we got these crappy diaper shorts and belly button protectors as our alternative and EME had kept them hush-hush til CBT started. That's a great way to stick the middle finger to your Elin playerbase.

And how can EME say they're not accepting any more feedback when they never really asked the community for it? That's just another pathetic attempt for them to dodge the issue and reduce the flack they're getting from all the hate and anger posts/tickets. Their decision was purely on their own accord with no influence whatsoever from this community.


No what I said was that because of all the things that BHS was having to deal with last year they likely didn't work nearly as hard as they could of on the designs (in other words the current state of the changes are far from what would be the result of a year's worth of focused work and I said that because you said no one should expect them to improve the changes within the next few months if these are the final results of a year's worth of work because these really don't look like a year's worth of work at all) the current state of the designs feels like that with everything they were busy with in the company they didn't get very much time to work on them and made these bare minimum changes just so the Elin could be playable by beta and release because they weren't going to allow the Elin to be playable until there were changes done to the armors.
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Cynthric on 03/08/2012, 12:56 PM - view

No what I said was that because of all the things that BHS was having to deal with last year they likely didn't work nearly as hard as they could of on the designs (in other words the current state of the changes are far from what would be the result of a year's worth of focused work) the current state of the designs feels like that with everything they were busy with in the company they didn't get very much time to work on them and made these bare minimum changes just so the Elin could be playable by beta and release because they weren't going to allow the Elin to be playable until there were changes done to the armors.


Ok, so now we want some promise of those changes - because from what I can tell, En Masse is completely ignoring the issue. If they planned to make changes all they have to do is say as much.
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Rengeki on 02/22/2012, 10:14 PM - view
http://www.nap.edu/netsafekids/pp_li_il.html

child pornography is banned (online) but non-child pornography is not.
as such, elins are censored and castanic females are not


This is to protect actual children from the harms of predators that go into chat-rooms seeking real-life kids for exploitations and abuse. It also protects children from viewing X-Rated materials (that's why sites have you must be 18+ or older signs).

The elin is a fictional character made in a video-game protected under freedom of expression/speech. What you are referring to was a prompted law that was struck down by the US Supreme District Court as being unconstitutional. That was Ashcroft v Free Speech Coalition.

Tera is not an X-rated game.That is 'hentai'(acts). Other than the scantily-cladded Castanics and race wardrobes there is absolutely no hentai in any Tera, at all.

Tera is a game meant for a Mature audience, however. Because of comic mischief, wardrobe, and because monsters bleed when you hit them.

Elin, as she is in her original form is not illegal in NA. If that were the case, then many, many games or shows even having a character in a bathing suit or a storyline would have never reached US shores or be created in US shores.

Cardcaptor Sakura? Gone. Sailormoon? Gone. Inuyasha? Gone. K-On? More like K-Gone. Vocaloid? Gone. BioShock? Erased. Skyrim? Sky-Fail. And many, many more.

How? Because some folks are offended at a fictional cartoon character not running around in ankle-length nun-wear. That would be to the point where ALL these characters would be purged from all the videos/shows/games simply because of their fictional exsistance.

Got an awesome storyline? Well too bad it's going to be yanked no matter how good the game was or if there was a character that played a part in the storyline because of the character's exsistance. If that were truly the case.

Seriously people mixing fictional video-game characters with real people is just...ugh. Reality check, please.
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Cynthric on 03/08/2012, 12:56 PM - view

No what I said was that because of all the things that BHS was having to deal with last year they likely didn't work nearly as hard as they could of on the designs (in other words the current state of the changes are far from what would be the result of a year's worth of focused work and I said that because you said no one should expect them to improve the changes within the next few months if these are the final results of a year's worth of work because these really don't look like a year's worth of work at all) the current state of the designs feels like that with everything they were busy with in the company they didn't get very much time to work on them and made these bare minimum changes just so the Elin could be playable by beta and release because they weren't going to allow the Elin to be playable until there were changes done to the armors.

It doesn't matter to consumers if EME/BHS didn't have sufficient time to work on redesigning the Elin armors. What they want from them is to at least meet with some of their expectations and produce some satisfactory results. Neither of which was achieved by EME on the issue. And placing those sub-par Elin armors for CBT was a bad decision since this is the period when you actually begin attracting players to your game by giving them a first-hand opportunity to test play the game. How does EME expect to attract more to the Elin playersbase with those armors around? Unless that's their intention to keep the Elin populace low to reduce any further scrutiny by the "western audience". Some might not mind the censored armors or take notice of them but there will be many others who will and can't bear to see them whether or not they play Elin.