Elins new American clothes and the Castanic prostitutes.

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Lurkios on 03/08/2012, 12:59 PM - view
Ok, so now we want some promise of those changes - because from what I can tell, En Masse is completely ignoring the issue. If they planned to make changes all they have to do is say as much.


From past experience, it sometimes is just that the company does not know how to handle the situation. They think that if they go out and give information, it will upset people. But it is the opposite. As long as you give detailed information, people tend to be happy, even with negative answers.

Example of good community feedback:

"We've been reading the threads regarding the Elin changes and we are sorry that we didn't first check with you before doing the changes. We like the idea of a download of the KTERA pack for those who wish to use the older armors, but do not have time to work on this until after launch. If you give us a couple of months after launch to get this through with BHS, it would probably work out fine."

Example of bad community feedback:

"We did a business decision to change the armors since we think it will appeal to more people."

In the good example here, their fear is that by saying they'll TRY something, people will claim they promised it, and they'll get crap for not delivering. But this is not true. Some will be that way, but the majority are old and wise and accept that plans can fail. It just needs to be a form of communication that shows things are being worked on.

Like 1 month after launch, they follow the issue up with "We contacted BHS regarding the KTera armor pack, and are currently negotiating the terms."
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Malamasala on 03/08/2012, 01:44 PM - view
Lurkios on 03/08/2012, 12:59 PM
Ok, so now we want some promise of those changes - because from what I can tell, En Masse is completely ignoring the issue. If they planned to make changes all they have to do is say as much.


From past experience, it sometimes is just that the company does not know how to handle the situation. They think that if they go out and give information, it will upset people. But it is the opposite. As long as you give detailed information, people tend to be happy, even with negative answers.

Example of good community feedback:

"We've been reading the threads regarding the Elin changes and we are sorry that we didn't first check with you before doing the changes. We like the idea of a download of the KTERA pack for those who wish to use the older armors, but do not have time to work on this until after launch. If you give us a couple of months after launch to get this through with BHS, it would probably work out fine."

Example of bad community feedback:

"We did a business decision to change the armors since we think it will appeal to more people."

In the good example here, their fear is that by saying they'll TRY something, people will claim they promised it, and they'll get crap for not delivering. But this is not true. Some will be that way, but the majority are old and wise and accept that plans can fail. It just needs to be a form of communication that shows things are being worked on.

Like 1 month after launch, they follow the issue up with "We contacted BHS regarding the KTera armor pack, and are currently negotiating the terms."


That's exactly what's missing from this whole thing. Players are simply looking and asking for quality changes so their not stuck with low-end stuff. CE in itself is almost worth close to $100 dollars. There is a level of expectation with a game so visually mind-blowing like Tera's graphics.

Would you rather get the bang for your buck, or have sub-par implementations inserted into the product your paying for? With no answers, just closed threads/polls if the subject is presented. Unfortunately the legitimate threads(excluding the troll or TOS breaking ones) end up being put in the ignore-pile in the process because their part of the 'subject' too.

Ontop of that all other community and players needs have been answered, and this one is the only one so far that's been skirted on. What is being asked is not something that isn't typical, it's pretty much standard stuff that any player or fan, regardless of their game would mention as well.

Asking for professional, quality 'edits' isn't something bizzare, especially if edits were deemed as necessary in the first placed by the publisher despite outcries from the communities and players.

Sub-Quality redo's isn't exactly something a player wants to be stuck with. Even more so if the original is 20x better.

In all honesty the type of work that has been passed on Elin is beginner level, something that doesn't fit the standard TERA is shooting for.
Edited by: ChoppaGurl about 1 year ago
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I hate to break it to y'all, but something cosmetic like this is probably very, very far down their list of things to do. Even if they did plan to improve the quality of the textures, there's a mountain of more important things on their plate - that you can be sure of.

In addition to more pressing current matters, I have no doubt they're already working on things for who knows how many months down the road, and this will most likely go unchecked unless some producer gets a wild hair up his butt and decides it needs to be changed ASAP, and even then, when a fix/new version is in the works internally, it could still take months before we see it. There's also the fact that this is essentially a request and not an actual bug or fix.

Unfortunately, dealing with an external party just slows things down. Submissions, approvals, resubmitting, et cetera.
Edited by: Rokuzachi about 1 year ago - Reason: Additional info
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Rokuzachi on 03/08/2012, 10:32 PM - view
I hate to break it to y'all, but something cosmetic like this is probably very, very far down their list of things to do. Even if they did plan to improve the quality of the textures, there's a mountain of more important things on their plate - that you can be sure of.

In addition to more pressing current matters, I have no doubt they're already working on things for who knows how many months down the road, and this will most likely go unchecked unless some producer gets a wild hair up his butt and decides it needs to be changed ASAP, and even then, when a fix/new version is in the works internally, it could still take months before we see it. There's also the fact that this is essentially a request and not an actual bug or fix.

Unfortunately, dealing with an external party just slows things down. Submissions, approvals, resubmitting, et cetera.

Regardless of what EME's priorities are with TERA they still completely disregard and ignore their community on this issue. They never gave us a choice and simply expect us to bend over and accept whatever changes they want with the game. There may be other pressing matters for them but the fact remains they don't really care what we think. They're more concerned in making more profit by censoring a single race rather than listening and meeting the expectations of their playerbase. If EME is that insensitive to us now then what's stopping them from making changes with the game that would again spark much controversy in the future?
Edited by: exalted about 1 year ago
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exalted on 03/08/2012, 11:04 PM - view
Rokuzachi on 03/08/2012, 10:32 PM
I hate to break it to y'all, but something cosmetic like this is probably very, very far down their list of things to do. Even if they did plan to improve the quality of the textures, there's a mountain of more important things on their plate - that you can be sure of.

In addition to more pressing current matters, I have no doubt they're already working on things for who knows how many months down the road, and this will most likely go unchecked unless some producer gets a wild hair up his butt and decides it needs to be changed ASAP, and even then, when a fix/new version is in the works internally, it could still take months before we see it. There's also the fact that this is essentially a request and not an actual bug or fix.

Unfortunately, dealing with an external party just slows things down. Submissions, approvals, resubmitting, et cetera.

Regardless of what EME's priorities are with TERA they still completely disregard and ignore their community on this issue. They never gave us a choice and simply expect us to bend over and accept whatever changes they want with the game. There may be other pressing matters for them but the fact remains they don't really care what we think. They're more concerned in making more profit by censoring a single race rather than listening and meeting the expectations of their playerbase. If EME is that insensitive to us now then what's stopping them from making changes with the game that would again spark much controversy in the future?


Absolutely nothing. People can be as over dramatic as they want to be about whatever issue they want, regardless of its impact on various sectors of the game.

If I had to place a bet, I would bet that most people don't care enough to leave the game over it, and EME knows that. Players finicky enough to leave over something like this are likely players that would not belong to the stable core playerbase of the game in the long run - that core is what sustains an MMO even a decade after its release, and are what games really need to survive. People have stuck around in other games over much greater injustices that actually affected gameplay in a serious way.

I can appreciate the plight, as I've been very frustrated by cosmetic issues in other MMOs over the years, but in the grand scheme of things, this is incredibly minor. For Pete's sake, I've had to live with a chestpiece that distorted/made my character's torso geometry *disappear*, and I still play that game even though it took months to get it fixed.

Now, if it actually affected Elin's stats, runspeed, combat ability or what have you... I'd be up in arms right along with you. Maybe I just don't understand why this is such a hot-button issue to some people.
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Rokuzachi on 03/09/2012, 12:01 AM - view
People can be as over dramatic as they want to be about whatever issue they want, regardless of its impact on various sectors of the game.


So because you don't particularly care about an issue, those who do are being over dramatic? I wish someone had told me the world revolved around you earlier.
Edited by: Lurkios about 1 year ago
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Lurkios on 03/09/2012, 12:14 AM - view
Rokuzachi on 03/09/2012, 12:01 AM
People can be as over dramatic as they want to be about whatever issue they want, regardless of its impact on various sectors of the game.


So because you don't particularly care about an issue, those who do are being over dramatic? I wish someone had told me the world revolved around you earlier.


I think you misinterpreted that
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Neonie on 03/09/2012, 12:26 AM - view

I think you misinterpreted that


Possibly, and if so I apologize to Rokuzachi for my undue rudeness - but re-reading the post, I don't believe I did. It wasn't a direct statement, but it certainly seems implied.
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Rokuzachi on 03/09/2012, 12:01 AM

Absolutely nothing. People can be as over dramatic as they want to be about whatever issue they want, regardless of its impact on various sectors of the game.

If I had to place a bet, I would bet that most people don't care enough to leave the game over it, and EME knows that. Players finicky enough to leave over something like this are likely players that would not belong to the stable core playerbase of the game in the long run - that core is what sustains an MMO even a decade after its release, and are what games really need to survive. People have stuck around in other games over much greater injustices that actually affected gameplay in a serious way.

I can appreciate the plight, as I've been very frustrated by cosmetic issues in other MMOs over the years, but in the grand scheme of things, this is incredibly minor. For Pete's sake, I've had to live with a chestpiece that distorted/made my character's torso geometry *disappear*, and I still play that game even though it took months to get it fixed.

Now, if it actually affected Elin's stats, runspeed, combat ability or what have you... I'd be up in arms right along with you. Maybe I just don't understand why this is such a hot-button issue to some people.

Your point has merit. But the example you provided is a texture problem of the armor you wore which was not intentionally done by the developer. The redesigns of the Elin armors were however intentional. In EME's POV the Elin appear like "cute little girls" when they all know too well that aren't children at all. But they chose to impose their same prudish view on their entire target audience.

I believe the main reason why the Elin censorship issue is such a hot and sensitive topic is due to EME's mishandling the whole mess. Players on both fronts would be a lot less vocal and hostile if EME had involved the community with their decision from the start. After they publicly announced it any info related to the changes of the Elin armors were kept under the hood. They didn't create any polls, pass surveys, or even gather feedback from the community on what they thought about it. There were some who weren't quite outraged at first by EME's decision and felt that they will do a good job with redesigning the Elin armors. But when images of a few of the "new" armors designs began to surface the Elin playerbase began to worry if EME can deliver designs with as much quality as the originals. When CBT began sh*t pretty much hit the fan and confirmed the poorly redesigned armors and there was an uproar. And now EME just keeps silent and dodges any query about the Elin armor changes. How's that for their first major blunder as a starting game company? And the game hasn't been launched yet.
Edited by: exalted about 1 year ago
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And now EME just keeps silent and dodges any query about the Elin armor changes. How's that for their first major blunder as a starting game company? And the game hasn't been launched yet.


This is what scares me the most, and what is at the moment most prompting me to ask for a refund. The actual issue of the Elin Armor is a client side fix, but what I find more concerning then anything is what appears to be a great disrespect for your fanbase when you won't answer their questions or give them any sort of answers what so ever. It's just not something good game devs or publishers do, a good game dev will respond, in some fashion, to their player base. But twiddling your thumbs and just wanting the problem to "go away" is not something a good game dev should do, ever.

They're kind of just coming off as children in denial to me at this point, and if they don't say SOMETHING about it before release, I'm just going to cancel my pre-order, because who knows how many various other issues they'll choose to ignore.
Edited by: Neonie about 1 year ago