Elins new American clothes and the Castanic prostitutes.

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Fyna on 03/12/2012, 10:38 AM - view
Destian on 03/12/2012, 09:08 AM
But the reaction to the Elins by the NA focus groups (and I'm SURE they did focus testing with them) was that they look like young girls, and I'm also guessing that those same focus groups probably found some of their armors a bit off-putting.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most of these decisions came from focus testing and not from a judgement call from within EME itself.

So again, I think they just went with what the focus groups said. They wouldn't dare to make a decision like that themselves. That's the kind of thing that gets executives fired by higher-ranking executives.


I was a part of the Focus Group, The Elin were not playable in North America by anyone until the recent Closed Beta test, which lead to some disappointment since the race had been announced by that point, a later Community test and again they were not available, a few weeks later the announcement of censorship took place, so no, We had no say in it.

The input regrading the Elin in any way was little to none, other than "Where is the Elin Race"?


I do remember hearing something about the alpha testing where elins were "unavailable" to play during 2011. Think it was posted on the old forums at one point.

Tera being treated as WoW isn't good. Some folks don't want your same, typical boring generic western mmo with all the same gimmicks we've seen multiple times before. They want something different, good, fun and exciting. And that's just what TERA is.

The player base, because of the way Elin was handled should never feel that their being subjected or accused of committing crimes against humanity for playing a video-game character they like.

The censorship is done bad all the way around. We had no idea what Elin's 'edits' looked like until the last minute. Then the thread closing, poll closings, trolls and hypocrites calling player's 'pedo's' for playing an elin.

Things got heated because Tera is a M-rated game and the player fan-base felt that they were being subjected to unnecessary and hand-picked censorship. Which they were. If Diseaga series can come out published in the US with a T rating with Etna and it's humor, then why were Elins censored in the first place? There so much anime and literature in the US alone, the elin is NOT something new and pretty much, she's standard.

Players tried contacting En-Masse several times via forum and TERA Answers about elin. Our threads ignored/locked, our polls closed. All we've been given is a "edits are final" and this is the result:

A Bland, ugly disgusting slapped on diaper shorts. This is what took an entire year and yanking elin out of TERA to do?

Any right fan in their mind wouldn't be happy if they went through the mess the elin/animu fanbase, who ARE part of Tera, who are NOT a "minority" went through. Tera is an asian mmo, this 'westernization' is nothing more than a process for censoring and marginalizing the animu/elin community.

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Not only that but because of the l-a-c-k- of communication from En-Masse, we have no idea how TERA is going to be censored for the future or what's already been censored besides the armors.

Is the game going to be put on hold when K-TERA comes out with their inner-wear so En-Masse can slap on a censor sticker for a two-piece armor?

Those are the things that come into play. Have any of the cut-scenes been snipped or altered out so elin dissapears from the view-point?

What about the Artwork? You can't show the developer artwork because apparently elin is sooo non-western that she must be hidden and left out of the artwork.

This whole "for the western audience" is complete crap. It's like the anime community doesn't even exists yet they'll be the FIRST ones to play these asian mmo games. Because the character was designed in an animu-like fashion. We are not a minority, and even if we were deemed as so by a small few, our voices matter as much as the voices of the RP or PvP communities.

Do you want the full, version of TERA or the edited chopped up censored version that makes no sense for a M-rated game.

It's like Game-Stop over here. It's funny how NIS/Atlas/Funanimation/ADV/ (who were one of the few companies that always released "Collector Editions" for the games besides Working Designs) can release their games or show without a problem for their audience rating, but En-Masse must deem every petite fictional race in-game as real-life kids.
Edited by: ChoppaGurl about 2 years ago
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ChoppaGurl on 03/12/2012, 12:48 PM - view
Not only that but because of the l-a-c-k- of communication from En-Masse, we have no idea how TERA is going to be censored for the future or what's already been censored besides the armors.

Is the game going to be put on hold when K-TERA comes out with their inner-wear so En-Masse can slap on a censor sticker for a two-piece armor?

Those are the things that come into play. Have any of the cut-scenes been snipped or altered out so elin dissapears from the view-point?

What about the Artwork? You can't show the developer artwork because apparently elin is sooo non-western that she must be hidden and left out of the artwork.

This whole "for the western audience" is complete crap. It's like the anime community doesn't even exists yet they'll be the FIRST ones to play these asian mmo games. Because the character was designed in an animu-like fashion. We are not a minority, and even if we were deemed as so by a small few, our voices matter as much as the voices of the RP or PvP communities.

Do you want the full, version of TERA or the edited chopped up censored version that makes no sense for a M-rated game.

It's like Game-Stop over here. It's funny how NIS/Atlas/Funanimation/ADV/ (who were one of the few companies that always released "Collector Editions" for the games besides Working Designs) can release their games or show without a problem for their audience rating, but En-Masse must deem every petite fictional race in-game as real-life kids.


*claps* well said ol'chap, well said.
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I'm loving this, just this morning i canceled my pre order, and an amazing thing happened... I no longer care about what Elin look like. It's a feeling no words can describe, the sheer weight that has been lifted. It feels good... So now i can cleanly be a 3rd party observer, and comment as such.

Every comment said to support the censorship can be made invalid with facts, every comment against the censorship can be made invalid with facts. So by equation facts make "for" and "against" statements invalid, meaning last 87/88 pages of this thread are invalid. (my posts included)

edit: as well considering the lack of action people are taking. Anything people say against EME is a hypocritical statement, if you don't like something get off the train. Shouting from the back to the locomotive will change nothing.
Edited by: Tonbbery about 2 years ago
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This link was posted in another thread but i'll add it here:

http://www.nisamerica.com/games/neptunia2/index.php

Hyper-Dimension 2 Rated "M". The SAME exact Rating for M-Tera. And would be considered 2x worse than the elin itself. Why would ESRB let the rating pass if they felt that it was X-Rated or illegal 'Pornography'?

So, why is En-Masse handing it's customers all this censoring nonsense?

That's more expected for TERA'S EU which is rated "12+"
Edited by: ChoppaGurl about 2 years ago
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Destian on 03/12/2012, 09:08 AM - view

The average opinion is that children are fine in bikinis.


1. I don't think we can say with any degree of certainty that this is GUARANTEED to be the average opinion.

2. I don't think it was the average opinion that EME was worried about. They were more concerned that enough people with non-average opinions would raise a stink about it than people with average opinions being fine with it. People with average opinions won't think any worse of the game, especially when most never even knew it was censored.


Elin are not children. They have shapely hips contrasted by a small frame, as well as developed long legs. Their idle animation has them swaying their hips, which gives them a sexual allure.

So it doesn't matter if children are acceptable in bikinis, that doesn't apply to Elin.
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Tonbbery on 03/12/2012, 01:51 PM - view
I'm loving this, just this morning i canceled my pre order, and an amazing thing happened... I no longer care about what Elin look like. It's a feeling no words can describe, the sheer weight that has been lifted. It feels good... So now i can cleanly be a 3rd party observer, and comment as such.

Every comment said to support the censorship can be made invalid with facts, every comment against the censorship can be made invalid with facts. So by equation facts make "for" and "against" statements invalid, meaning last 87/88 pages of this thread are invalid. (my posts included)

edit: as well considering the lack of action people are taking. Anything people say against EME is a hypocritical statement, if you don't like something get off the train. Shouting from the back to the locomotive will change nothing.


It should never come to a point where a player-base feels that their being cheated out on(and are). As for EME their actions speak louder than the little to no words they've given to TERA in consideration of it's rating and player-base.

You may feel that being neutral is the best position for you, which is not a problem. As for hypocrisy, there has been a lot of it centering around Elin indeed.
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ChoppaGurl on 03/12/2012, 02:04 PM - view
You may feel that being neutral is the best position for you, which is not a problem. As for hypocrisy, there has been a lot of it centering around Elin indeed.


Neutral has it's benefits, can clearly see both sides of the argument. And at the moment am thinking why are the 2 sides fighting each other, when they can go as one against the dev's and ask for changes that are accepted by both sides. I am sure no one wants a Elin in Victoria Secret get up, or an Elin in a veil. So why not squeeze a 3rd alternative out of the dev's? This cam has no factions so, i see no reason to throw in borders.
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I think your assumed neutral form gave you amnesia. Or did you miss the hundreds of posts regarding toggle options, approved modding, split servers, improved armor quality?

There is no shortage of solutions, only shortage of arguments against the solutions.

Every single thing so far suggested by those who want fashionable Elin armors, would increase sales. The question is why EME do not want higher sales. If they could just answer that, the discussion could probably start moving forward instead of stomp at the same spot.
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The elin art you are seeing in beta is final for the launch of TERA. We made the changes based on what we felt was best for this market. Obviously not everyone agrees, but with art it is always a matter of opinion.

I am sorry that we cannot please everyone but this decision is final and we won't be commenting on it anymore officially.