Hitboxes unbalanced.

Atlas04 Profile Options #61

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tythimo on 05/22/2012, 05:22 PM - view
The problem is that you're playing an Elin, which has been shown to have longer ranges with certain classes. So why don't you try a Baraka or Aman male? Oh yea because you know those races suck.


Haha, seriously? I don't care which race sucks or not. I picked Elin cause I love them, not cause they are "better" than every other race, which they aren't

And what does range have to do with me saying I can hit Elin with my attacks? If my aim isn't where it should be then I'll miss even if I have infinite range. If you can't hit them then practice with your aim.
Deimar Profile Options #62

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The fact is that the hitboxes for Elin and a couple others are quite a bit smaller then some of the larger classes.

It's also pretty apparent that the range on some attacks/skills for some classes are also longer for Elin or another of the "smaller" races.

All things being equal between two players, the Elin player would have an advantage. You cannot deny that.
Gelsamel Profile Options #63

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Elin Berzerkers can't TS anything less than 3m away.
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Gelsamel on 05/23/2012, 05:46 AM - view
Elin Berzerkers can't TS anything less than 3m away.


Yea that can get annoying sometimes in pvp. Want to dodge a TS? Just stand next to me.

While the elin are visually smaller, their hitbox is deceptively large. We tested it a while back and I think we found it to be much larger than the OP has posted. The box extended around half a bodies length off the Elin and around half a bodies length taller. I do believe the castanic female has a very similar hitbox so where is the QQ on them? I need to go test the hitbox again just to stop the whining.

Hitbox aside now you would be complaining about the size a race is so I guess we should only have one race in the game so a random player doesn't feel disadvantaged.
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Atlas04 on 05/23/2012, 06:18 AM - view
Gelsamel on 05/23/2012, 05:46 AM
Elin Berzerkers can't TS anything less than 3m away.


Yea that can get annoying sometimes in pvp. Want to dodge a TS? Just stand next to me.

While the elin are visually smaller, their hitbox is deceptively large. We tested it a while back and I think we found it to be much larger than the OP has posted. The box extended around half a bodies length off the Elin and around half a bodies length taller. I do believe the castanic female has a very similar hitbox so where is the QQ on them? I need to go test the hitbox again just to stop the whining.

Hitbox aside now you would be complaining about the size a race is so I guess we should only have one race in the game so a random player doesn't feel disadvantaged.


If Elin Berserkers' TS ability has an issue with range than it needs to be fixed. But this thread is about larger races having both bigger hitboxes and smaller ranges, thats a double whammy. And if you want me to believe that your actual hitbox extends half a bodies length off of an Elin and not what the OP showed, then present evidence to support you're claim(just like the OP). I'd like to see that.
Gelsamel Profile Options #66

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Sure, there is an issue with Elin's TS range. But it's obviously intended, so it belongs in a discussion about whether hitboxes are balanced or not.

Our character's body and weapon swing takes a really long wide arc. So we hit our TSes really far out (people complain about Elin range all the time) but we can't hit anything closer than 3m to us with our main attack.


Atlas04 on 05/23/2012, 06:18 AM - view
While the elin are visually smaller, their hitbox is deceptively large. We tested it a while back and I think we found it to be much larger than the OP has posted. The box extended around half a bodies length off the Elin and around half a bodies length taller.


So Elin are the new Letty?
ChoppaGurl Profile Options #67

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Hater's gonna hate and they don't appreciate!

The elin, a wonderful combatant in PVP :3
Raifos Profile Options #68

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What people are missing is that the ranges are technically equalized: Everyone can reach the mob, standing in the same position. An Elin isn't going to be able to hit you from outside your range.

Tested with an Aman and Elin female Lancer:

Elin get a 3-2-1m step on their basic attack

Aman Females get a 1-2-3m step. Same total 6m movement. The "range problem" is created by the fact that your range readout on your UI is measured from the outer edge of your character hitbox, and not from the center.

It's higher for Elin because their model has a .5m shorter radius than anything bigger than them (Therefore, in order to reach a mob standing in the same position, they have to reach 1M further). The problem can be solved by adding an additional 1m reach to Aman and Baraka attacks, giving them slight actual extended range, rather than equalized range.
Edited by: Raifos 12 months ago - Reason: Later is not bigger.
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Raifos on 05/27/2012, 07:27 AM - view
What people are missing is that the ranges are technically equalized: Everyone can reach the mob, standing in the same position. An Elin isn't going to be able to hit you from outside your range.

Tested with an Aman and Elin female Lancer:

Elin get a 3-2-1m step on their basic attack

Aman Females get a 1-2-3m step. Same total 6m movement. The "range problem" is created by the fact that your range readout on your UI is measured from the outer edge of your character hitbox, and not from the center.

It's higher for Elin because their model has a .5m shorter radius than anything bigger than them (Therefore, in order to reach a mob standing in the same position, they have to reach 1M further). The problem can be solved by adding an additional 1m reach to Aman and Baraka attacks, giving them slight actual extended range, rather than equalized range.


First of all having the same 6m movement on a full combo is useless, if you dont hit with the first hit you arent gonna keep swingging. More so in pvp where you should almost never do a full combo. You do one hit to slow then use skills.

Secondly their attack range SHOULD NOT be counted from the center of their hitbox, you can only push up against objects from the end of yours, and you can be hit from the end of yours. So if the center of the baraka is 7 m away from a slayer his fat [filtered] is in range to be dealt damage, but the elin standing in the same spot is not, but on top of that with her movement and reach on attacks she can strike back after the miss. From the same spot the baraka just took damage and missed, and the elin avoided the attack completely then hit.

This is poor balance.
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30-40% reduced chance of being hit = best racial in the game, by far. Baraka could full-heal themselves once every 5 minutes and it would be balanced with the elin "racial".

This needs to be fixed.

I've heard that QoA2 patch balances these issues, but that was only what I heard. :\
Edited by: Destian 12 months ago