If I may be serious for a moment.

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Destian on 2012-03-05 23:40:17 UTC - view

I've gone out of the way to avoid directly calling anyone on this forum a pedophile. I respectfully ask that you extend me the same courtesy.


Sorry, dude, but you said the following: "Of course it wouldn't, because this is about people wanting to look at their little girl toon in its underwear."

Inferring someone is a ped is no different than calling someone one directly. You made quite clear that you think everyone against you is only interested in one thing. No matter how much someone says it's a number of things, depending on the person, you flat refuse to hear and understand, because to you we're all pervs. Don't give me this courtesy bs. Instead, apologize to all the people you've insulted, read their posts and take to the time to try to understand their view, and I'll think about apologizing to you.

Destian on 2012-03-05 23:40:17 UTC - view

because a few angry Elin fans who wanted to look at Elin in their underwear


You did it again! No, no, no, it can't be because the hastily revised costumes suck, or that the originals are most stylish, or people are insulted that someone thought that our version had to be censored to save us from ourselves. No, it just has to be that thing that is so fixated in your mind.
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Retief on 2012-03-06 01:03:57 UTC - view
You did it again! No, no, no, it can't be because the hastily revised costumes suck, or that the originals are most stylish, or people are insulted that someone thought that our version had to be censored to save us from ourselves. No, it just has to be that thing that is so fixated in your mind.


You did it again! No, no, no, it can't be because En Masse is just trying to play safe with a multi-million dollar product in a competitive market, or to not provide ammunition for its competitors, or to conform to the standards of the western society, or to make the game more appealing to a wider audience at the cost of a few, or because they just felt like changing their own game for no reason at all. No, it just has to be because they're evil and they want to censor your game to protect you from yourself! ;)
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Destian on 2012-03-05 23:40:17 UTC - view

That's why I'm here and that's why I'm arguing. I LOVE Tera. It's the most fun I've ever had in an MMO and I'd like it to succeed. It has enough going against it without adding the entire internet laughing at it as "that pedo game" because of the stink being raised here.


The entire internet is laughing at it? Where? Wait, it's the entire internet, so it's everywhere. Oops, not here, nope, not there. Oh, here's some: http://ohinternet.com/The_Exiled_Realm_of_Arborea
How can you read this web site and not laugh? Don't take it so seriously.
Oh, and the Europeans are having the same discussions on their forums. Classic.
Oh, BH stole the game from NCSOFT, some of their employees even served jail time for it. Interesting.
Oh, MMO-FO is a hybrid of the term MMO and the term for someone who sleeps with their mother. And here you were worried about the games image suffering just from the Elin.

Yes, there's a lot of hits out there, 99.9999% of which is people with your mindset arguing on forums that an adult toon that looks young is a child. Looks like if you and your buddies would have just keep your mouth shut, there would have been only a handful of hits.

Again, the game is stolen property, NCSoft was suing to prevent an NA release, the company uses crude MOFO references because it thinks it's cute, and you focus on Elin. I'd be worried about another NCSoft lawsuit. After all, according to http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/02/14/the-soapbox-teras-rocky-road-to-release/ BH employees served jail time, it's not in the realm of alleged.
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Synusoidal on 2012-03-06 01:43:03 UTC - view


You did it again! No, no, no, it can't be because En Masse is just trying to play safe with a multi-million dollar product in a competitive market, or to not provide ammunition for its competitors, or to conform to the standards of the western society, or to make the game more appealing to a wider audience at the cost of a few, or because they just felt like changing their own game for no reason at all. No, it just has to be because they're evil and they want to censor your game to protect you from yourself! ;)


You mean their multi-million dollar stolen product with it's MMO-FO logo that is a cute reference to a son having sex with his mother, no ammunition there. As for standard of western society, the original version already met it. And yes, the whole purpose of censorship is protectionism. Protectionism not deemed necessary in their or Japanese society, but deemed necessary in ours.

As for why they really, really changed it, who knows, they may have felt it would reach a wider audience. That's speculation, both on your part and, if true, theirs. Fact is they censored it. However, don't take after Destian. I didn't say they were evil; I said censorship is evil. Disagree if you want, but I've seen censorship used too often for the wrong reasons.
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Retief on 2012-03-06 02:22:33 UTC - view
I didn't say they were evil; I said censorship is evil. Disagree if you want, but I've seen censorship used too often for the wrong reasons.


As have I. And that is exactly why I'm so sick of some of the arguments people make here. Use all the big words and big concepts that you like. Bottom line is, En Masse is not a third party. TERA is their game. This is not censorship. Censorship is evil and disgusting. I never would support it. But in a society where freedom of expression is held up to such high expectations, then I think a company is allowed to express its product in whatever way it pleases. If the US government, or the ESRB was imposing these modification on TERA, I'd be holding a torch and protesting right along your side. But it's not. Don't lie to yourself.

Call it whatever you want. Censorship. Self-censorship. Hypocrisy. Whatever. But the party who is trying to force its own ideals on another party is you on En Masse, not the other way around. TERA is their game, their product. They can do whatever they want with it. It's their investment.

All you are entitled to is offering feedback and your freedom of choice in purchasing this product. That is it. Period. You're in no position to demand anything from anyone, and you're certainly not in any position to use the term "censorship" to justify your baseless demands.

I said it before, I'll say it again: Using the concept of censorship to justify yourself wanting to see some eyecandy in a video game is even more corrupt than censorship itself. No one is here to judge you. And if you feel like people are here to judge you, then you need to take the internet less seriously.

Also, you don't seem very fond of TERA. It was stolen, according to you. You find the marketing insulting, and your dislike the way the Western society works. So I have to ask you: Why are you here? Go play KTERA/JTERA. Or just don't play TERA. Leave the rest of us alone.
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Not sure if this got posted or not:

----------UPDATE-------

There's a new section on the website called "Tera Answers" which can be found here:

http://tera-answers.enmasse.com/pages/home

Since edits are 'final' in the NA version, it's suggested that quality of the textures are improved (getting rid of the bulky, diaper-like edits now) with the overall outfit design.
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Synusoidal on 2012-03-06 02:45:23 UTC - view
Retief on 2012-03-06 02:22:33 UTC
I didn't say they were evil; I said censorship is evil. Disagree if you want, but I've seen censorship used too often for the wrong reasons.


Also, you don't seem very fond of TERA. It was stolen, according to you. You find the marketing insulting, and your dislike the way the Western society works. So I have to ask you: Why are you here? Go play KTERA/JTERA. Or just don't play TERA. Leave the rest of us alone.



It is censorship, hence why the changes were made in the first place. If it was not censorship then why were there need for changes?

You say that we are 'forcing' our ideas on En-Masse, lol. Say, you are a player who is wanting to play a game that's been anticipated for release. You hear about the game, that it's being translated and awaiting distribution in your country.

But then you hear about changes being made to the game. When those changes come out and their finally seen, compared to the originals those changes do not look good. Even now, without the originals the changes do not good. It's an odd, strange texturing and form that simply does not fit the rest of the awesome outfits you've seen in-game.

It's noticeable that there has been a changed, and it has been talked about both outside forum and inside.

There are those who believe these make-believe characters to be real rather than fiction or simply 'video-game characters'. Storms of raging occurs and those who are not used to playing non-US mmo's throw around some serious accusations against players admist some trolls.

If you make a topic on the subject the thread is closed or debunked by trolls. If there is a poll made, the poll is closed. There are only 2 active threads on this topic now so far.

However other community needs are met:

Role-Players have request their own server. There is now Celestial Hills

PvP Players have their own servers, pretty standard stuff

Players who ask for better armor changes?= Nothing

En-Masse are the publishers of NA TERA, but understand if you were the player and this happened to your side, what would you do?
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Synusoidal on 2012-03-06 02:45:23 UTC - view




That's beside the point if they have the right to change their game. The fact that they made those changes to the Elin armors behind our backs without the even bothering to ask the community's opinion particularly the Elin community is a sign of apathy on the issue. It was purely biased decision for EME to censor the Elins armors alone when the other female armors are just as questionable. If they had a shred of sensitivity and paid attention to those players then the outrage on censorship wouldn't have escalated to what it is now. EME should have at try least meet the expectations of all rather ignoring a small portion of their playerbase for the so called "good of the majority". They (Elin players) regardless how big they are just as significant as the rest.

And please don't go lecturing those against the change to play K-TERA/TERA JP because that's not a plausible option. There are too many parameters in order to access their servers not to mention the language barrier. We are here because we all want to play TERA with in all original features and content in english and to be part of TERA's english-speaking community. If EME can't even provide satisfaction as minor as preservation of original armor designs how they can satisfy with more important features of the game?
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ChoppaGurl on 2012-03-06 03:07:04 UTC
You say that we are 'forcing' our ideas on En-Masse, lol. Say, you are a player who is wanting to play a game that's been anticipated for release. You hear about the game, that it's being translated and awaiting distribution in your country.


I don't think you read my post. If you did, you don't seem to have understood what I was saying, especially the bit about you having the right to provide feedback and the freedom of choice in buying TERA. Please don't respond to my post without understanding what I'm saying to begin with.

@Exalted:

The fact that they made those changes to the Elin armors behind our backs without the even bothering to ask the community's opinion particularly the Elin community is a sign of apathy on the issue.


You see, this is where I have a problem with this issue, and why I want to draw a clear distinction between modification and censorship.

En Masse also modified the game's leveling curve, translated the story and even changed some of the context, and in general changed aspects of the game without asking for our opinion first. Does this mean they censored the game?

No, they made modifications that they felt was necessary for their game to succeed. The Elin changes were part of that. As I've said before, whether or not the decision to make these modifications were good or bad is up for debate, and no one can predict the final outcome. Not myself, not you, and not even En Masse. A few biased, open, and un-moderated polls and a handful of angry, vocal players in a forum doesn't prove anything. On the other side, a handful of trolls who walk around and call everyone a pedophile for looking at an Elin don't prove anything either.

And lastly, you want to play the original TERA? Lots of things are being changed in TERA besides the translation. Why are you not complaining about them? It's just the Elin armors that defined the "original TERA" for you?

And what is this supposed to mean? "If EME can't even provide satisfaction as minor as preservation of original armor designs how they can satisfy with more important features of the game?" Do the people who prefer the Elin as they are now or just don't care not count in on this? Just because you and a portion of the Elin fans are 100% unsatisfied with the new designs, that proves the incompetency of En Masse? Please. Be realistic.
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Synusoidal on 2012-03-06 02:45:23 UTC - view
TERA is their game, their product. They can do whatever they want with it. It's their investment.

Actually, the courts will decide that.
Synusoidal on 2012-03-06 02:45:23 UTC - view
All you are entitled to is offering feedback and your freedom of choice in purchasing this product. That is it. Period. You're in no position to demand anything from anyone, and you're certainly not in any position to use the term "censorship" to justify your baseless demands.

I am offering feedback. ^_^ Demanding is "do this or else!!" Unfortunately, I did not know about the Elin issue, nor about the lawsuits and convictions in Korea and the lawsuit in New York, else I wouldn't have bought the game.
Synusoidal on 2012-03-06 02:45:23 UTC - view
I said it before, I'll say it again: Using the concept of censorship to justify yourself wanting to see some eyecandy in a video game is even more corrupt than censorship itself.

Censorship is the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts. Is that not what BH did, so, in your words, to apply to a wider audience? Then censorship is the correct term. Self-censorship is still censorship, per the definition.
As for eye candy, my wife prefers the "eye candy" version. Then again, she's not an American, and lacks the feminist ideals you want to impose on me. Your puritan roots are starting to show.