Idk about you, but I'd hate to play with a guild that requires you to be min maxing all the way up to your race.
The choice of picking w/e you want is still valid, unless you hang around with elitist jerks (but in that case, just hang with people you get along with instead imo)
Idk about you, but I'd hate to play with a guild that requires you to be min maxing all the way up to your race.
The choice of picking w/e you want is still valid, unless you hang around with elitist jerks (but in that case, just hang with people you get along with instead imo)
While I do understand this logic, it just isn't a realistic mentality when you want to quickly and efficiently progress through end-game content in an MMO. The people that are more likely to share my progression ideology are generally the same ones that want to maximize the chances of victory while minimizing human error to overcome the hardest challenges within the game.
I respect your opinion and play style. However, my in-game goals might just be a little different than yours. I don't care about beating stuff eventually, I want to be one of the first to do so. That means I will likely play with others who share that same goal, and I bet you they are going to want a tank that maximizes every little thing he/she can over someone that simply selected the race they found to be aesthetically superior.
The more serious players, as of right now, simply have a false sense of choice given the current racial/class synergy. I believe that is an issue which could be addressed by making the racial trait's more modular, in that you could choose them as part of the character creation process.
In short; while you can indeed select a race/class combo of your choice, at some point there will be some drawbacks to doing so. While those drawbacks will make only a slight difference in terms of game play, they will make more dramatic differences on the social aspect of selecting who can or cannot be apart of your group to provide a given role - especially one as important as the primary tank.
This social restriction will eventually trickle down to casual game play (As it does with all MMO's) and you will begin to see average players rejecting non-optimal race/class combinations (Again, as with most MMO's) simply because the top players do it, so they believe that this is something they need to do to ensure victory, especially since their combined player skill will also be much lower, and will want every crutch they can get to successfully complete an encounter.
EDIT:
I have moved my contribution within this conversation to a more appropriate section of the forum. I am hoping it can get more notice there, and thus have a higher chance of being reviewed by the community and official EnMasse staff.
Idk, WoW was the only only other MMO I really payed attention before (from Vanilla to Wrath's launch) and my 2 main guilds were pretty cool minded. Granted my more PvP oriented guild didn't go as far raid wise, my actual raiding guild kept pushing to the steps where we'd be waiting for the next dungeon most of the time, and we only raided 12 hours a week (3 nights of 4 hours). Our main tank was a Gnome just cuz he felt like dedicating a few more hours then the others (thinking back we had 0 human tanks).
Again I might have been simply lucky, but once we closed down for IRL affairs (basicly the entire 30 people raid group got better jobs and stuff like that) and I went to help a friend who were more "hardcore", progression got terrible and extremely unpleasant.
If you wanna min max as a Lancer (i think thats what you asked originally), then Aman is probly better I suppose. But I'm still an ardent believer that people having a good time will provide better results, well as long as said person ain't hopelessly terrible obviously (if they can't do the Dark Revelation 5man w/o dying then the problem might not be in their race :)
Idk, WoW was the only only other MMO I really payed attention before (from Vanilla to Wrath's launch) and my 2 main guilds were pretty cool minded. Granted my more PvP oriented guild didn't go as far raid wise, my actual raiding guild kept pushing to the steps where we'd be waiting for the next dungeon most of the time, and we only raided 12 hours a week (3 nights of 4 hours). Our main tank was a Gnome just cuz he felt like dedicating a few more hours then the others (thinking back we had 0 human tanks).
Again I might have been simply lucky, but once we closed down for IRL affairs (basicly the entire 30 people raid group got better jobs and stuff like that) and I went to help a friend who were more "hardcore", progression got terrible and extremely unpleasant.
If you wanna min max as a Lancer (i think thats what you asked originally), then Aman is probly better I suppose. But I'm still an ardent believer that people having a good time will provide better results, well as long as said person ain't hopelessly terrible obviously (if they can't do the Dark Revelation 5man w/o dying then the problem might not be in their race :)
I suppose experiences will vary, and I am happy that you had such a good experience and enjoyed your game time.
All I can do is speak from my own personal experience, and that is where the bulk of my argument is coming from. Having been a primary tank of a guild ranked pretty high in several MMO's (Top 10 WoW world ranking, and top on the server in other MMO's we goofed off in) I am just use to an certain environment of progression, and my experience has always been that people will always take the easiest path to a certain goal, and sadly, racial traits do play a role in that decision making process.
No one from my other now ex-guild wanted to play Tera, and I grew tired of WoW and many of the other side MMO's we played (Rift, EQ1, EQ2, etc), so I will be forced to find a new guild of like-minded individuals in need of a primary tank. Due to this, and due to having to prove myself to a whole new set of people, selecting anything but the best across the board would be a silly move on my part - and that is the problem that is irking me.
I truly dislike how the Amani look in heavy armor, because they still look semi-naked. The only character model I truly like the look of in heavy armor is Human. However, with Amani having a passive 10% damage reduction in PvE, and likely PvP too, makes the Human racials look terrible for a the role I wish to play. This coupled with the Amani's resistances to damage-over-time effects and a very powerful anti-knockback cooldown, makes them the only real choice for a highly competitive tank in Tera.
That is just my two cents, anyway. Thanks for not taking this conversation in a bad way. I am not trying to argue with you at all - I just wanted to give a little back story as to why I feel the way I do, and give insight to others who may have not had these types of issues in their gaming experience.
I truly dislike how the Amani look in heavy armor, because they still look semi-naked. The only character model I truly like the look of in heavy armor is Human. However, with Amani having a passive 10% damage reduction in PvE, and likely PvP too, makes the Human racials look terrible for a the role I wish to play. This coupled with the Amani's resistances to damage-over-time effects and a very powerful anti-knockback cooldown, makes them the only real choice for a highly competitive tank in Tera.
10% damage reduction below 30% HP.
But, on a note more directed at the thread:
I like the racials as they are. I've actually been WANTING an MMO where the racials are distinctly different, but not so much as to cause any one race to be far superior so as player skill cannot compensate. After what happened to the racials in Rift(re: they were gutted, horribly, in Beta due to whiners), I want to see these racials stay.
Yes, min/maxers need to pick a certain race. Yes, on the cutting edge progression people need to pick a certain race.
Oh well; That's what happens when you min/max or want to be top 10. You make sacrifices. Whether it be time, consumables, equipment, whatever--you make sacrifices. If you're one of these people, in Tera that will be race.
And I'm fine with that. Being "required" to roll a Castanic for DPS is not a problem to me. Instead of whining, I take a look at what I want to accomplish and what I have to sacrifice. So what if someone else was Popori, yet just as skilled as me? I would crit 1% more and have movement speed steroid. Mathematically, I would be superior at every time. By 1% crit. If anyone is going to whine over 1% crit, when this game is so skill-based(re: encounters aren't static), then I honestly don't think they should have any input as to the balance of the game.
I also then realize I am in the VAST MINORITY of people who are min/maxers and top-notch progression people, and know that the racials should also NOT be changed because a few of us don't like that we have to be a certain race.
tl;dr
What Race you pick should matter; But any deficiency should be able to be overcome from skill. Stop whining. Racials are fine.
I like the racials as they are. I've actually been WANTING an MMO where the racials are distinctly different, but not so much as to cause any one race to be far superior so as player skill cannot compensate. After what happened to the racials in Rift(re: they were gutted, horribly, in Beta due to whiners), I want to see these racials stay.
Yes, min/maxers need to pick a certain race. Yes, on the cutting edge progression people need to pick a certain race.
Oh well; That's what happens when you min/max or want to be top 10. You make sacrifices. Whether it be time, consumables, equipment, whatever--you make sacrifices. If you're one of these people, in Tera that will be race.
And I'm fine with that. Being "required" to roll a Castanic for DPS is not a problem to me. Instead of whining, I take a look at what I want to accomplish and what I have to sacrifice. So what if someone else was Popori, yet just as skilled as me? I would crit 1% more and have movement speed steroid. Mathematically, I would be superior at every time. By 1% crit. If anyone is going to whine over 1% crit, when this game is so skill-based(re: encounters aren't static), then I honestly don't think they should have any input as to the balance of the game.
I also then realize I am in the VAST MINORITY of people who are min/maxers and top-notch progression people, and know that the racials should also NOT be changed because a few of us don't like that we have to be a certain race.
tl;dr
What Race you pick should matter; But any deficiency should be able to be overcome from skill. Stop whining. Racials are fine
It is far more constructive to choose how I want to play the game, and play it that way. I can either min/max or accept the minor disadvantage and move on. Either way, harping over such a small issue only hinders my ability to enjoy the game, and I would much rather have each race have interesting racial traits versus having them gutted for the sake of equality.
In short: You are correct in your logic and general response.
Sometimes it just takes talking about something to realize how silly you were to argue the point in the first place.
Sweet, good thing you could set your mind Chaos
I'd gladly provide you zerk support but my chaotic work schedule probly won't let me.
In a way I do miss the Castanic's crit, but their armor makes no sense to me, human is much more proper for me, I'll just have to overcome that crit loss XD
If racials make such a little difference then why are 90% of lancers Aman and 90% of everyone who is a dps class is Castonic?
lol just a thought.
Castanic could also be because they look like strippers?
From what I saw while playing I saw varied Lancers of most races. Not 90% Aman. Perhaps when they release more stats people will get an exact figure. Unless your figure comes from previous stats. I would say I saw very very few Aman and even less Baraka.
On Topic.
My thoughts are if they are so mild and milk water as people make out then why even have them to begin with? You could remove them all together and no one would really care right?
Well, after reading Chaos posts, I felt a lot of reason in his position(maybe because i also play the role of MT in WoW) but after a while, and after reading some more posts i reached the exact same conclusion he did.