Quote: Leyara on 2012-02-03 07:58:09 UTC

Are people *still* going on about this? It was posted all over the old forums. Elin are NOT ancient spirits that have been around forever. They are born, and live roughly 70 to 80 years before dying of natural causes, assuming they make it that far. So that Elin you're looking at could be 56 or whatever... but she could also be 1 year old.


Quote: Jaegerjaquez on 2012-02-03 06:34:14 UTC

First off, I just *love* how you open your post defensively, saying that people shouldn't project their opinions on to others, then you end it with the same crap that you're speaking out against in the first place. If you don't agree with it, rise ABOVE it. Do not sink to that level, because it makes you look shallow and hippocritical.

Secondly, have you *seen* the Elin in game? Like, for more than five minutes? Every single animation they have is created to make them look like childish. They run with their hands out skipping along. They giggle and squeal happily as emotes. Their jump makes them look like their trying to belly flop before straightening out. All of the common animations make them look childish, no matter how their body looks standing still (which is also unlikely, since they sway frequently as an idle, further giving the childish look).

Quote: jigs21 on 2012-02-03 05:32:38 UTC

EME has stated that feedback will be appreciated, however, don't go in thinking for a total revert. The mods have been on record multiple times saying that the changes are here to stay and will not be reverted. Nothing stopping you from giving alternative suggestions or ideas beyond "geif originals" though.

Quote: Anthraxsnax on 2012-02-03 08:04:47 UTC

A. 80 years old is still 4 times older than me.
B. She was actually playing a "Child" vampire, not a pint size 25 year old looking vampire(or even an 80 year old forest sprite with tails and animal ears). She was a child that never aged.
C. I've seen kids running in streets and at swimming pools wearing less than the 80 year old Elin and if they are putting a censor on a image, why not make a law changing the way 12 year olds dress... (still won't change the fact that kids are having sex in the real world at age 12).
D. Also the age old response, IF you don't like wha they are wearing, don't play them.

Is "If you defend the Elin, you must be a pedo" argument really the only one that the other side can push forward? So no matter who I brought forward to speak in favour of the original models, they would be one? A young teen that finds the original designs to be cuter than the modifications for instance? Finding a person like that would not be a hard task.

If someone finds it cute, is it so strange to be against having what you originally found cute changed as a result of others being offended by something entirely fictional? If someone wants to play an Elin in TERA with their pants off, as you seem to assume every single one of us wants to, all the power to them, but at the same time it is a lot better than what they could be doing because the Elin are not real and no harm is done as a result of their actions.

Quote: Bastille on 2012-02-03 08:14:37 UTC

Yes. Because people on the internet (and sometimes in real life!) always believe the following:
Their opinion == truth, therefore their opinion > your opinion. The fact that the opposition try to defend their own opinion only serves (in their head) to encourage themselves that they are saying the right things, because they are generating a response, when in reality. . . Not really, they make themselves look the fool by trying to grasp at straws and pinpoint faults.

Happens a lot. Especially when things like cultural differences come into play.

Quote: Leyara on 2012-02-03 08:13:40 UTC

A. Why do you keep assuming that Elin are all maximum age? It's possible that every Elin going to the Isle of Dawn is fairly young. No matter how they look, they could still be anywhere between 1 to 17 and still be classified as a child. Plus it makes sense that the 'younger' members of each race would be sent off to a start zone. Like, if they were older, they'd so be higher level than 1.
B. How does that change the point? Elin never change either. They look the same from 1 to 80.
C. I've seen kids doing that at pools too. Know what I haven't seen? Children running around in that attire *24/7.* They aren't wearing this to the pool. They are wearing this as every-day clothes.
D. Nope, this has no basis, at all. In fact, it's extremely arrogant. You might as well be saying, "if you don't like them, don't play the game!" You HAVE to account for everyone else's opinions when deciding on things in an mmo, not one niche faction. Everyone who plays this game will be playing with the Elin. If the Baraka Mystic and Amani Lancer are creeped out by the thong like armor, that counts for exactly as much as the Elin who wants the old armor and the Elin that wants the new armor.

[quote name='Leyara' at='2012-02-03 08:13:40 UTC'][quote name='Anthraxsnax' at='2012-02-03 08:04:47 UTC']


the elin only live up to 80 you tard.







in theory she was 100's of years old in that movie too... but if you wanted to tap that you'd still be considered a creeper. yes this is fantasy, but everyone normal sees a CHILD when they look at the elin. just because some make believe text says they aren't doesn't mean being attracted to them is acceptable.[/quote]



Tap that!? what the hell.....who in their right mind thinks and says things like you do? where talking about a fake character in a video game, attracted!!!? what world do you live on!?

I don't like Baraka, Popori, Humans or Aman and not too impressed by High Elves or Castanics, so they should account for my opinion by your words, Scarlet.

Except for that already did said "accounting" by having a race I do like.

If people don't like the Elin, they can play what they like, I'm not going to go make a thread bashing/demanding changes to the other six races.

World keeps on turning.. or it should..

Quote: DivMinuet on 2012-02-03 08:20:03 UTC

This ^^

Quote: Ultimatemage13 on 2012-02-03 08:40:37 UTC

So? Doesn't change anything. They should listen to you, but "I don't like" is an extremely vague point. I don't like Castanic, and will happily give a long wall of text for why. Do I think my opinion is important? No, because I'm one person lined up against all the fans of Castanic. They appeal to more people by keeping them as they are than by listening to niche factions that cry for changes.

And the portion of the Elin fanbase calling for a complete revert is niche, don't think otherwise. Even on the old forums, there was, what, 56% of the Elin fans (I don't recall seeing fans of the other races in that thread) who wanted a revert. Now, remember that Elin are only ONE of 7 playable races. So, assuming that everything is equal at launch (and it won't be, but let's pretend), the Elin fanbase will be 14.29% of the total player base. That means, assuming that the old poll was completely accurate (and it wasn't to a varying degree), that means EIGHT percent of the total playerbase will be decrying for the armors to be back. That is a far, far cry from the majority. And if, say, 9+% is against the old armor from all of the collective player base, that makes it a very prudent move to change the armors, since it's appealing to a wider audience.

Now, take that with a LARGE grain of salt. We went through a lot of assumptions, and some of them (player population factions) will be flat up wrong (as far as I know, no game has ever had a perfect split between playable races), but that's a fairly decent place to start when comparing it to the big picture. We won't have anything for sure until after launch though, so there is also that.

[quote name='ScarletSelene' at='2012-02-03 08:34:06 UTC'][quote name='Leyara' at='2012-02-03 08:13:40 UTC']


A. Why do you keep assuming that Elin are all maximum age? It's possible that every Elin going to the Isle of Dawn is fairly young. No matter how they look, they could still be anywhere between 1 to 17 and still be classified as a child. Plus it makes sense that the 'younger' members of each race would be sent off to a start zone. Like, if they were older, they'd so be higher level than 1.

B. How does that change the point? Elin never change either. They look the same from 1 to 80.

C. I've seen kids doing that at pools too. Know what I haven't seen? Children running around in that attire *24/7.* They aren't wearing this to the pool. They are wearing this as every-day clothes.

D. Nope, this has no basis, at all. In fact, it's extremely arrogant. You might as well be saying, "if you don't like them, don't play the game!" You HAVE to account for everyone else's opinions when deciding on things in an mmo, not one niche faction. Everyone who plays this game will be playing with the Elin. If the Baraka Mystic and Amani Lancer are creeped out by the thong like armor, that counts for exactly as much as the Elin who wants the old armor and the Elin that wants the new armor.[/quote]

(sign I am going to reply anyway)

A. It isn't logical to send some in-experience "child" to a island that first exploration party was completely wiped out, although they might not be 80 they certainly won't be "noobs.
B. Using an example of a loading image from ktera(although for the popori) Popori are seen being "grown" from tree's as infants. Now if their up bringing is the same as the Popori then it is safe to asume that they have child aged Elin(although might not be true) Also since Elin do die it is safe to assume they age as well.
C. I live in Texas(now only my sub division I've seen this so I don't speak for every person in Texas) but yes I do see little kids in shorts and no shirts. Even bicycle shorts with tank tops is a common thing.
D. (Now based off of a thread on the old forums about the "new armor" looks for elins) Alot of people were upset with how the elin armor's were 're-done'. There were even some who liked the elin because of their original armor and not their "Child-like" appearance, but just because one group of people were displeased the other has to suffer.

See the only reason I am upset is because there were better ways of letting both groups of people be happy with the elins by either playing the Ktera version or playing a NAtera version. From what I've read there is a option in the game that allows you to view a "basic" race look which makes everyone's character the same Preset. The same option could have been added into the game to allow players to view the ktera armor versions or the NAtera armor versions. From the photo's that was released last year of the armor updates, I say that the ktera still looked better. Also registered "pedo's" usually have restrictions and playing a game like Tera would probally be in violation with their probation if they are out of jail.