Quote: BrolleunHunter on 2012-03-06 07:22:07 UTC

That is not a good excuse in the least, your begging the question and have either/or fallacies, and candy coat the issue at hand with a hasty generalization. Stop BSing your consumer base, and base the decision off subscriptions, consumer want, and popularity.

An MMO doesn't need an overwhelming amount of pvp and pve servers to be successful. All the developer does is thin the population, and the fact companies still have multiple servers instead of server types with shards is laughable. Get with the 21st century already.

Anyways, I don't agree with you, and your point is full of holes and fallacies. The only thing this decision costs is an understanding and application of math, so really opening up Tera Online too RP-PVP doesn't cost En Masse or Blue Hole a GD thing, and no the environment will not suffer with proper planning.

So figure out the problem, and solve it because all I see is alot of BS. The only way the environment is going to suffer is due to the poor use of resources and man power, and how the final decision is executed.

if you dont think it actually costs anything your completely ignorant of the truth... How popular would WoW or other MMO's be if they gave a server to each guild ever created. It would put a heavy damper on the playerbase because it will not have the community to support it.

Since you like claiming that it doesnt cost anything, go play a single player game and call it an MMO, try talking to thin air and the people you wont have.

a server MUST contain enough of a playerbase to be considered worthwhile to create and maintain, why do you think other games have used server merges

Thank you for your well thought out post Zeroden. We have not ruled out a PvP server for the RP community, but saying it 'costs nothing' isn't accurate. It is a huge cost for every server we bring up, and I am not referring to the cost for the hardware - I am referring to the cost of maintaining a healthy world environment. If we do not have a critical mass of players to support the world, TERA is not nearly as fun, and the cost is a bad player experience. The last thing we want is to bring up this server and not have the population to support it.



We will let you know as we get closer to launch and have a better understanding of how many total servers we are going to need.

I appreciate the feedback. However, something you might consider in your metrics is that many people, at present, are torn between a normal PvP server and the RP-PvE server, truly satisfied by neither. This isn't to say they won't play, but rather that -- come launch -- they will have to choose to be recognized as either an RPer or a PvPer, when they really want to do both.

Back before WoW introduced an RP-PvP server, I played for years on a RP-PvE realm, always feeling like I was being cheated out of half the potential experience simply because a server of the archtype I was looking for didn't exist. WoW's RP-PvP servers are now in something like their sixth year of existance, and have never suffered in popularity. If you're looking for more recent evidence, turn to The Old Republic. That game is undergoing widespread population loss right now, but of the few remaining well-populated servers, the three RP-PvP realms are some of the healthiest. I believe this speaks not only to the popularity of RP-PvP, but also to the endurance of the players who seek it out.

Again, I'm not going the threaten not to play, or to cancel my preorder if an RP-PvP server isn't introduced, and I am appreciative of the fact that you are monitoring the demand. All I'm saying is, currently there can be no fence-sitting. Those of us who are RP-PvPers at heart must choose between RP-PvE or PvP, and that's a shame. We aren't going away, either. Though we might be absorbed into an RP-PvE or a PvP community, we will always be looking over our collective shoulders, wondering about what might have been.

Don't deny us this chance to form a strong community at launch. If you don't release with one RP-PvP server, much will be lost, as there are very few people willing to reroll once they have become invested in a community and a character. The time to act is now.

That's all.

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I appreciate the feedback. However, something you might consider in your metrics is that many people, at present, are torn between a normal PvP server and the RP-PvE server, truly satisfied by neither. This isn't to say they won't play, but rather that -- come launch -- they will have to choose to be recognized as either an RPer or a PvPer, when they really want to do both.

Back before WoW introduced an RP-PvP server, I played for years on a RP-PvE realm, always feeling like I was being cheated out of half the potential experience simply because a server of the archtype I was looking for didn't exist. WoW's RP-PvP servers are now in something like their sixth year of existance, and have never suffered in popularity. If you're looking for more recent evidence, turn to The Old Republic. That game is undergoing widespread population loss right now, but of the few remaining well-populated servers, the three RP-PvP realms are some of the healthiest. I believe this speaks not only to the popularity of RP-PvP, but also to the endurance of the players who seek it out.

Again, I'm not going the threaten not to play, or to cancel my preorder if an RP-PvP server isn't introduced, and I am appreciative of the fact that you are monitoring the demand. All I'm saying is, currently there can be no fence-sitting. Those of us who are RP-PvPers at heart must choose between RP-PvE or PvP, and that's a shame. We aren't going away, either. Though we might be absorbed into an RP-PvE or a PvP community, we will always be looking over our collective shoulders, wondering about what might have been.

Don't deny us this chance to form a strong community at launch. If you don't release with one RP-PvP server, much will be lost, as there are very few people willing to reroll once they have become invested in a community and a character. The time to act is now.

That's all.

I'm with you on this. I played WoW at beta and launch. I played on Shattered Hand, a PvP server. I remember the day they announced a new server type, "RP-PvP", we were there. Our guild moved as one to Maelstrom. It was incredible. I'd been hooked ever since. We played on Ravenholdt (Horde) as the KiithSa Hunter for 5 years.

When we went to Aion, we really suffered. There was no dedicated RP server, so it was PvP or bust. We eventually returned to our RP-PvP server on WoW.

Anyone who has ever played an RP-PvP server (and I imagine it's quite similiar on an RP-PvE server) can tell you that the community on those servers is by -FAR- the STRONGEST I've ever witnessed in any online game. I can't be satisfied with an RP server, or a PvP server. My cup is half full either way, and if I had to chose, I'd ultimately be quite remiss to pick a PvP server, having to give up my love for RP for the duration of my game time here on Tera.

Lunaris, you put it quite well. There is no fence-sitting. It's either one, or the other, and neither are a good choice. I hope they implement both RP-PvP as well as RP-PvE servers at launch.

-Zeroden

Im very much pro-choice and so I hope you get your RPPvP server.

But I disagree with the poster who said RPPvP servers are more popular.

One of the reasons RPPvE servers fill up so nicely is that as well as RPers many many people play on them as they percieve the atmosphere on those server types to be more mature and friendly, so the population count is not reliant on RPers alone.

I think this maybe why a RPPvE server was seen as a pretty safe bet by the Devs.