maybe if everyone wasn't trash talking each other on a daily basis and bringing every stupid gank and broken gvg accomplishment to the forums, more people would be willing to 5v5 and not have to worry about defending themselves from a bunch of trolls.
That's nothing more than a bad excuse. We've scheduled GvG's that we've surrendered in order to fight other guilds even handed and generate PvP on the server, and scheduled death matches that we've won and lost and gone back after losing.
Don't want to pvp because they're afraid someone will trash talk later? That's just dodging.
For note: Epeen. We've beat them. We've lost to them. Both sides have trash talked each other. But both sides go back and PVP moar and both sides respect for it.
1. Cue is mad/bad
2. ROC rolled a pvp server by accident
3. Cue puts being relevant in a WOW PVE server on his work resume
4. The US Airforce is apparently more open to having homosexuals amongst them
What I've gathered from this convo:
1. You had more conversation earlier that you so nicely cropped out
2. Just because no one cares to declare on you doesn't mean rolling on PvP was an accident, sorry you're not the centre of the universe as you wanted
3. MMO's aren't competitive by nature, sorry, just the way it is designed. Perhaps you would be more interested in E-sports? Starcraft, CS 1.6, Dota, take your pick. Or maybe GW2
4. Nice try on sounding apathetic to losing vanarchy, but you don't go into a thread with "aphotic loses vanarch, server rejoices" if you don't care. Especially with the defense that the other guilds had to cheat...from the guild that massively exploited the enchant bug.
3. MMO's aren't competitive by nature, sorry, just the way it is designed. Perhaps you would be more interested in E-sports? Starcraft, CS 1.6, Dota, take your pick. Or maybe GW2.
The dozens of MMO's with ranked battlegrounds and/or title achievements from battlegrounds (or general pvp) says otherwise. (Btw, did you know TERA had ranked battlegrounds in Korea?)
3. This one is aimed at testimony as well. You've taken the way I've used competitively wrongly. It isn't that you can't be competitive about it, but rather it's not designed for true player vs player gaming. It's the nature of the beast when you design a game that has to be both good in PvE and PvP, something has to go in terms of balance.
Says who? Just because it requires a broader strategy doesn't mean its less competitive. You now have to balance both. You're assuming that adding a broader aspect to the strategy makes it less competitive. Just because we're not fighting directly doesn't mean we're not competing. Does the time spent harvesting minerals in Starcraft make it non-competitive?
You say MMO is less competitive because you have to PVE? Anyone could say ranked MMO is more competitive because they have to balance a deep resource acquisition strategy with combat strategy, which is something FPS lacks.
No MMO PvP is able to gain the level balance that other actual E-sports title has achieved nor the skill ceiling required to make it competitive. MMOs do not require the raw level of mechanics that RTS do, nor the reactionary time of FPS.
Both of those are easily debatable depending on the actual specific games.
The only real competitive nature of MMO PvP is more on teamwork like MOBAs, but even then, MOBAs are far more watchable. Just because you put a ranking on it doesn't mean it's now a legitimate title for competition.
Anything can be used as a legitimate title for competition: it depends on how you structure the competition. Its an opinion that one cannot be valued as "competitive" or as "equally competitive" and nothing more, especially since you're discounting whole aspects of the competition in order to do so.
"Watchability" is nothing more than 3rd party entertainment, which is irrelevant and completely dependent on preference (I'm bored as [filtered] when I watch people play LoL, I enjoy watching people play starcraft, and I hate watching people play TF2, does their competitiveness change because of that?).
And yes testimoney, despite your best to be condescending, I did know that Korea has rankings, which doesn't make PvP any better designed.
Rankings aren't supposed to determine 'good' design (which is purely subjective). They structure competition and make the priority point of the competition more focused.
It's also noted that it's kind of funny Testimony decided to post the GvG records...funny because it's a pretty good lesson on winning battles and losing wars. You won a bunch of negligible battles that no one cares about and got enough people to dislike you to lose something actually useful in the game.
Vanarchy is only useful if you keep high taxation which you can only get away with if you have a massive alliance (See Dragongodknightking's 15% tax in Argonea, or TFT's 15% tax in Balder). Otherwise the benefits are minimal: Fancy horse, mediocore amount of money added to guild bank.
Furthermore, GvG's will soon impact vanarchy, so winning GvG's won't be pointless.
2. Why not? Once again, they don't like you, no one has to win a GvG to earn the right not to like you.
3. This one is aimed at testimony as well. You've taken the way I've used competitively wrongly. It isn't that you can't be competitive about it, but rather it's not designed for true player vs player gaming. It's the nature of the beast when you design a game that has to be both good in PvE and PvP, something has to go in terms of balance. No MMO PvP is able to gain the level balance that other actual E-sports title has achieved nor the skill ceiling required to make it competitive. MMOs do not require the raw level of mechanics that RTS do, nor the reactionary time of FPS. The only real competitive nature of MMO PvP is more on teamwork like MOBAs, but even then, MOBAs are far more watchable. Just because you put a ranking on it doesn't mean it's now a legitimate title for competition. And yes testimoney, despite your best to be condescending, I did know that Korea has rankings, which doesn't make PvP any better designed.
4. Really? because i'm pretty sure something like half the posts here are by aphotic members trying to "prove" they aren't butthurt about it. It seems far more like they are laughing at you rather than an actual caring.
It's also noted that it's kind of funny Testimony decided to post the GvG records...funny because it's a pretty good lesson on winning battles and losing wars. You won a bunch of negligible battles that no one cares about and got enough people to dislike you to lose something actually useful in the game.
firstly, you dont have to be "mad" to tell someone who isnt making any sense to stfu. secondly my reply to number two was in regards to him bashing our ability to play, whether or not him and his band of jabronies does or doesnt like us doesnt concern me. Also, you're argument for MMO's failing to be competitive is invalid as im quite sure WOW arenas have made it to MLG and i know l2 pvp events were broadcasted in the same setting as sc2 back when it was in its prime. As for balance, theres just as many issues in any rts or fps as there would be in any well put together mmo, and no skill ceiling required? [filtered] plz. Lastly, my posts had nothing to with us losing vanarch or trying to save face, just found it funny how worked up the starter of this thread got ig.
Also, you're argument for MMO's failing to be competitive is invalid as im quite sure WOW arenas have made it to MLG and i know l2 pvp events were broadcasted in the same setting as sc2 back when it was in its prime.
Even if it wasn't/didn't make it to MLG, just because the competition involves a strategy or an inherent play style that is too long (or too boring to watch) to be in a broadcast format, doesn't mean its less competitive. Furthermore, the only thing you need to make it to MLG is a player base of a few million and a competition format which can be broadcasted in short amounts of time, which has no determination as to whether or not something is competitive (or how much). Paintball has less fans than football, is paintball less competitive? What about chess games that last over a week?
