*shakes head* Well, looks like I've brought trolls to your thread. My bad. Don't worry, not going to bother hanging around in this one anymore since -some people- can't get over their stupid request. Obviously I've gotten a rise out of them.
Unintentional troll succeeds unintentionally.
Mmm, I'm just going to post it this once, I am no longer posting to this thread. En Masse feel free to lock it if you want. I am enjoying this thread far too much:
Silverthorne, I will say for the first...gosh I don't even know...30 runs maybe? Maybe less or a bit more, I was actually asking people to stop, or I would leave the group if it wasn't a text problem. After that though, I wasn't very nice and I would just stay quiet and "seethe" as you put it so correctly.
I love you guys, I really do, but when you queue up for a dungeon and you're the only one from the RP server there, please accept this and do not try to force the other players to RP when they just want to discuss the strategy for the dungeon (especially for people that have never been there before) and get it done.
Several times now this has happened to me the last few days. If we're telling the lancer who's never done the dungeon before that the easiest way to tank the enemy is with his back against the wall, please do not pipe up with "Do you suggest we turn our backs to the enemy and behave like cowards?"
And while people on your server might be interested in reading the novel you have bound to your quickchat wheel about how your sister/father/life partner was killed/maimed/molested by this certain boss and you are out for revenge, the rest of us really, REALLY don't care.
Similarly, I'll extend the same courtesy. If I'm the only non-RPer in there, I may not RP with you but I'll try my best to not be an antagonistic douche.
Thank you.
I am laughing. SO HARD right now.
Edit: you have a lot more patience than I do with this matter. That's for sure!
Edit 2: why is it, people who play on CH seem to be completely oblivious to RP at all? I've seen so many claims now that "no RP even happens on CH" and yet people like you and me, who aren't on CH, do come across this.
Not going to be able to post till tomorrow, but Loki, all I can say is to go on CH and add him for yourself if you don't believe me. Maybe my concept of RP is a bit skewed. Before I made my post, I did go to read up on the RP rules that a person had apparently taken from some WoW post, that had many positive RP player follow-ups. That post in particular, along with another, which I have forgotten, contained many nice examples of how RP players interact with others. I have not played RP myself, so I am probably not the best judge of RPing when I see it.
My biggest problem is the vast amount of sheer stupidity I have come across from players labeled as hailing from CH. We can apply the rest of my post sure, to "general jerks regardless of server type", but it's still irritating people aren't seeing that I am merely annoyed by having to deal with RP at all. Is it a rather brash request? Maybe. But my tolerance for it ran out many runs ago.
This is the last troll response I will make:
a) Nothing is truly random. How does one define random? We really cannot without the use of quantum computing. Duh.
b) 112 is a perfectly sufficient sample size for many situations. Ask a statistician with a Ph.D.
c) I never said 112 fits all situations, I just said it was a sufficient amount.
d) LFD is a "random" tool.
I will use statistics to make my claims since my distributions have shown I have a "statistically likely" chance of having an unpleasant run-in with RP mannerisms.
Edit: This is why I hate responding to trolls PhillipVIII. You people do not appear to read anything. You want to know why I am posting the same ss? because it was asked for, above.
Edited by: Arae
12 months ago
- Reason: didn't see the post made next when I posted
Unfortunately, now you're changing your story. I don't believe you ever mentioned once this was a -collection- of "bad" experiences from friends.
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Now... into the core of why there isn't an option to exclude certian servers/tanks/etc... Because LFD is a convient tool for throwing randoms together. If you water down the pool they can draw from (some people click "No Lancer," or "No PvP Server") then queue times go up. You also come to the slippery slope of what options to include. Should the party be able to click a "No Beserker" option? How about a No Archer? What about "No Names starting with B?"
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(On a side note, the screenshot of the person not fighting because of a "good conversation." Noticed there was a bunch of +little amount of exp. Did you say it was after a boss fight, or was that someone else? Also, what was the context before that, since the asterisks on "good conversation" makes it sound like he was being sarcastic. Did ya maybe heckle him about being from CH before hand?)
I am not changing my story, I stated the following: For the sake of keeping this already long post short, here is a list of just two issues my friends and I have dealt with (repeatedly), both separately and together:
Repeatedly does mean a collection, also, I prefaced by writing I wanted to keep the post short. I apologize if I did not make this clearer by reinforcing that there were many other issues than just the two, and that my friends and I had all experienced it.
As for your second paragraph, I cannot say or justify what options to filter LFG are good or bad. This is in the sole hands of En Masse.
This is the only time I will bother taking (a.k.a. wasting, since I know my post reply is going to time out from doing this since I have to cut from multiple SS) my time to show a multi-conversation in place: here is a link to the whole issue from that specific run
and hopefully you will see I never once mentioned him being from CH (as he had stayed relatively quiet, no one had been really talking before that), and in fact, I was not the person out of line. Also, yes, it was after a boss fight, as you can clearly see by the loot.
Edit: yes, and by positive, I mean I don't want to have to deal with RP things anymore. What are you people not understanding about B? If you don't want to RP, don't roll RP. I don't have that choice using LFD. /end
Edited by: Arae
12 months ago
- Reason: didnt realize the photo had been resized. changed it
*****Why allowing RP to join cross-server doesn’t work for Tera:*****
Unlike WoW, which has had many years to develop a massive player base, Tera is new in NA. WoW also had cross-server LFG. But unlike Tera, WoW had battlegroups: a chunk of servers that could only cross-realm interact with each other, and not other battlegroups. This worked to your favor if you wanted absolutely no chance of interacting with an RP player(s) while in cross-server LFG, since you could just find a battlegroup that did not contain an RP server. Unfortunately, Tera does not offer this same solution, so you will always have a chance of dealing with an RP player that does not contain their rules to just their server.
B contradicts itself since players that do not wish to RP are forced to deal with probable RP customs/mannerisms. So how can we fix this? I understand and agree with the need to do cross-server dungeon finding with a somewhat low overall server population count (half of the servers have a “recommended†population, if you exclude Celestial Hills [RP inclusive = 55%]). What I don’t understand, is why there are not better group tools, such as a vote-kick/reason system as found in WoW, or rules enforced on RP players to keep their culture to themselves. While there are many reasons to play Tera, my biggest reason is from the unique combat system. Dungeon fights are always different since bosses are so dynamic. We should not be forced to stop using the dungeon find tool. Again, this would mean less than 9% of the total player base inconveniences the remaining 91%.
It is the fact that you included this in your statement, thats just not a title post, thats a declaration that by allowing cross realm grouping to include RPers you are inconvenienced and wish to see that removed.
Legitimate reply. Maybe I should change the wording to something like "Why allowing RP to join cross-server doesn't work RIGHT NOW for Tera, but how we could make it work, and how other games have made it work."
Here though, why is it people at this point are complaining about how I labeled things instead of the content beneath? I completely think RP joining LFG isn't working right now. So what? I never said in there to remove the servers. It's simply my opinion on things, but again, I never said REMOVE THE SERVER, other than in my title. All I said there was that WoW's method worked. It's open to interpretation whether we could pull that off here, but I doubt it, since as you can see, I've stated why I feel Tera isn't able to use the same method.
Edited by: Arae
12 months ago
- Reason: realized the final sentence wasn't completely what I had wanted to say
Rhazes. Nothing I can do other than continually meet your requests will make you happy. I could tell you I program, and also work for a game developer, and unless I told you my first and last name, and the company I worked for, and probably had our HQ lady send you an employment verification letter, you would probably not believe me.
Too bad. You don't believe me. That's fine. Goodday.
Lord, thank you for at least making a valid points. Yes, LFD is a convenience. Yes, I probably should not rely on only LFD tool. However, again, there's a point being missed here. You, and most others that have posted here, have agreed on the following: I should stop complaining about one server in particular because there are "bad eggs" everywhere from other sources. I understand this. Trust me, I do. But my only focus here is that I do not want any part of RP. None of it. This is why I chose a non-RP server. And unfortunately, due to primarily limited group option tools, I do not have really a say in this. I've seen it so far to be about a 30% chance of getting someone in my group from that server. Unfortunately, as I've pointed out multiple times, I've had some extraordinarily bad luck with these members.
I'm allowed to play how I want and if I wish to only group using LFD (due to speed of tank queue), then so be it. This still doesn't change the fact that I don't want to experience RP and I am having to, or the fact that there simply aren't enough group options to make majority of the dungeon runs positive.
