I've seen Requiem of Heaven recruiting using the LFG channel. Nothing wrong with having alt/low-level guilds but I think they should make it clear if they're attached to another guild or not. Else, you're essentially inviting people into something larger without telling them about it. For the same reason NMTC would rather not deal with the alliance drama, it's rather irresponsible to not make Requiem of Heaven's status as a partner guild of Requiem of Hell clear.
I don't see total control of one continent happening very easily. After all, votes are limited by one per continent. You'd need an alliance of guilds larger than the current ones to get enough big guilds together that they have enough votes to throw at one continent.
Kaito on 06/16/2012, 10:34 AM - view
Gotta start somewhere. Anime is very good at GvG oriented tactics. Unfortunately, due to how TERA is set up and their preferred tactics, it seems to be the optimal way of waging GvG at the moment and for the people on the receiving end, not very fun at all. GvG isn't the same as 5v5 PvP so there shouldn't be an issue here.
Aleniari on 06/16/2012, 09:55 AM
No Matter The Cost has not turned down or surrendered any fights as of now - We've won 3 lost 1, and that loss was to Anime - and I don't regret it at all.
They were way better geared than we were, and got on key points in the game - so hats off to that.
Don't throw everyone in with the lot please - it offends those that does not have part in the pot, I'm only commenting on this to make sure that you know that NMTC have been fighting our wars till the bitter end and we'll continue to do so.
((No - I'm not looking to put you in a bad light at all - I've honestly had enough of drama and mud slinging in this game already))
Aleniari
GM of No Matter The Cost.
I apologize to No Matter the Cost and its members if anything I may have said has offended. Your guild was not on the text list of "sponsors" for this event and I did not reference the guild when looking into any form of PvP related activity.
I think the majority of the Guilds running this should have had a BAM killing contest rather then attempt to organize and police a PvP tournament. Stick to the only things they know.
Gotta start somewhere. Anime is very good at GvG oriented tactics. Unfortunately, due to how TERA is set up and their preferred tactics, it seems to be the optimal way of waging GvG at the moment and for the people on the receiving end, not very fun at all. GvG isn't the same as 5v5 PvP so there shouldn't be an issue here.
In the end, any tax rate above 1% just inconveniences players, especially in zones with current endgame dungeons. Not just the price point but also wasting their time to travel to other zones with minimum tax.
Gold has little direct value in running a vanarch campaign. Sure, you can buy votes or do something with your gold to promote your guild but in the end, vanarchs rely on policy points to run their province. Profits from taxes are a nice benefit and certainly a motivation to run the province but there's no expenses to be paid in gold.
Having a lower tax rate just means that your vanarch doesn't mind making things more convenient for people at the cost of lowering potential profits. 2% isn't much compared to 1% but when you start buying Refined Alkahest, it starts building up. I have a friend who doesn't have enough time to farm, has the worst luck with crystal breakage, and she's rather frustrated at any tax rates above 1%. First attempt at HM Fane cost us a ton of money, and she doesn't have the time to zerg nexuses like some of us.
A 1% difference may be tiny when looking at any one thing but it builds up. Sure, it's more diverse to not have every province at 1% taxes but you'll also lose some favor with the community when so many have set to 1%.
A 1% tax rate is extending an open hand to everyone. It's a nice gesture, simple as that. Anything higher isn't bad but it raises the question of "why?" The game certainly throws you money from 58-60 and the Nexuses give a substantial amount too, but if it's the case that everyone has money to go around, then running events out of your own pockets/the guild's pockets shouldn't be difficult to do and is, once again, a nice gesture to the community.
People aren't going to see much of a return on their taxes. It's not like the services cost gold to run. Sure, they paid more pre-Vanarch but when the possibility to have them pay the least amount for anything exists, you can bet people will want to pay the minimum amount. When you start involving expensive stuff like Refined Alkahests or crystals, riding or flying over to a cheaper zone becomes an easy choice. Why make things less convenient for them?
Having a lower tax rate just means that your vanarch doesn't mind making things more convenient for people at the cost of lowering potential profits. 2% isn't much compared to 1% but when you start buying Refined Alkahest, it starts building up. I have a friend who doesn't have enough time to farm, has the worst luck with crystal breakage, and she's rather frustrated at any tax rates above 1%. First attempt at HM Fane cost us a ton of money, and she doesn't have the time to zerg nexuses like some of us.
A 1% difference may be tiny when looking at any one thing but it builds up. Sure, it's more diverse to not have every province at 1% taxes but you'll also lose some favor with the community when so many have set to 1%.
A 1% tax rate is extending an open hand to everyone. It's a nice gesture, simple as that. Anything higher isn't bad but it raises the question of "why?" The game certainly throws you money from 58-60 and the Nexuses give a substantial amount too, but if it's the case that everyone has money to go around, then running events out of your own pockets/the guild's pockets shouldn't be difficult to do and is, once again, a nice gesture to the community.
People aren't going to see much of a return on their taxes. It's not like the services cost gold to run. Sure, they paid more pre-Vanarch but when the possibility to have them pay the least amount for anything exists, you can bet people will want to pay the minimum amount. When you start involving expensive stuff like Refined Alkahests or crystals, riding or flying over to a cheaper zone becomes an easy choice. Why make things less convenient for them?
Kaito on 06/03/2012, 10:01 AM - view
You realize that Arcadia doesn't have controls for trainers or brokers, right? They're automatically on. Makes it one of the cheaper provinces to control.
As for some of the 1% almost getting a praise on this list by being a 1 percenter.. take a look at what shops they have open. Something Terable, a guild that has been 300 since before official launch can't even open the trainers or trade brokers.
It's not difficult to get Policy Points, it takes the guild members to do specific quests, so for those who voted for the high ( self ) praised guilds cause they thought the smaller guilds couldn't offer up the shops and such, think again for next time.
You realize that Arcadia doesn't have controls for trainers or brokers, right? They're automatically on. Makes it one of the cheaper provinces to control.
http://community.tera-europe.com/home/news/article/vanarchs-the-lords-of-tera.html
Here's some numbers. I imagine recommendations = praise, so 1 praise = 5 policy points
Here's some numbers. I imagine recommendations = praise, so 1 praise = 5 policy points
This is getting out of hand. This is Enclave's thread. If you have an issue with troll/zerg guilds and want to identify them publically, make a thread for it.
Edit: Clarifying the last line, I meant you know who they are and you want to make it known. I do not intend to ask anyone in AZA to identify these guilds.
Edit: Clarifying the last line, I meant you know who they are and you want to make it known. I do not intend to ask anyone in AZA to identify these guilds.
Edited by: Argas
about 1 year ago
Dead2Rites on 05/28/2012, 01:02 PM - view
Daedrynn says that guilds exist with those intentions.
Dead2Rites on 05/28/2012, 01:02 PM - view
It's unclear whether Jellad means that has actually happened or is just a theoretical example.
Dead2Rites on 05/28/2012, 01:02 PM - view
CODE5 says they've heard rumors and aren't going to judge anyone on rumors.
So, from those quotes you've picked, these guilds do exist. I'm not going to ask for their names because it's clear that won't go anywhere due to disagreement.
Argas, like I said, try actually **reading the whole thread** not just picking and choosing the points which fit your argument. Since this is so hard for you, here, I did the work for you:
From Daedrynn: "You really don't know what the term zerging means? I'm tempted to think you're just trolling, because it's pretty obvious, and we've explained it in many different threads. But just in case you legitimately don't understand... We're against spam recruiting just to fill the guild so they can have enough votes to take over all the provinces. Some GMs of the zerg guilds have even pronounced their intention to take over everything and jack up the taxes and remove the helpful NPCs just for the sake of trolling. That's what we're against. We're for responsible recruiting. You know, interviewing people to make sure they fit the goals and ideals of your guild, not just taking every single person who walks into the Island of Dawn."
Daedrynn says that guilds exist with those intentions.
Dead2Rites on 05/28/2012, 01:02 PM - view
From Jellad: "Zerg Tactics, and what they mean to us: When I start a new toon, land on the platform, and get 3 invites before I even walk away from the platform, thats zerging. When I hear guilds admit that they remove people who have been off for 2 days to keep their roster full of active members, thats zerging. When I hear guilds openly admit that they plan on running the elections so that they can get control of all the zones they can and jack up prices, remove helpful NPC's and overcharge for flying, thats zerging."
It's unclear whether Jellad means that has actually happened or is just a theoretical example.
Dead2Rites on 05/28/2012, 01:02 PM - view
And from another thread, CODE5: (talking about Something Terable) "That's because their a zerg guild. That's what happens when you let anyone join your guild. you get a lot of bad apples dragging you guild down the hole. I have heard this rumor to but i'm not going to judge them on a few bad members in their guild. If I was GM I would clean house and find out who these bad apples are. and since you are new to MMOs here's the definition of Zerg: zerg is used in mmo games to describe force consisted of large group of lower level players (often with only basic equipment) who use numbers rather then strategy to defeat the enemy, therefore requiring no skill. This tactics is commonly known as zerging."
CODE5 says they've heard rumors and aren't going to judge anyone on rumors.
So, from those quotes you've picked, these guilds do exist. I'm not going to ask for their names because it's clear that won't go anywhere due to disagreement.
Dead2Rites on 05/28/2012, 12:50 PM - view
Multiple things have been said:
There are troll guilds, they know who they are, we know who they are, etc.
There may just be individual trolls, we're not certain and don't want to jump to conclusions.
We don't want to name guilds because we don't want to be seen as mudslingers.
If they're not sure, then there's no reason to say anything other than that, but a lot has been said.
Well, what am I supposed to tell you? My experiences run counter to that. Who's right? *shrug* If you represented a big guild, then that's a rather serious accusation. Those are your personal experiences. You've even noted that people in chat could just be a few trolls and not representative of the whole guild. I think you've basically answered your own question there.
Argas on 05/28/2012, 12:43 PM
So the question is, do they have solid information or is it mostly just experiences/rumors? If it's just the latter, then that's an easy thing to clear up. You know, a "we've met troublesome individuals from certain guilds but we aren't sure they're representative of the whole guild."
I'll repeat it again. Basically, if you know who the zerg guilds are and you're certain that they are zerg/troll guilds, it's a matter of disagreement over why we're not getting the answers. If you don't know or you're not certain and want to err on the side of caution, a simple "We aren't certain" works. Roundabout answers just prolong this discussion.
If you go back and actually read, this question was answered already. One of them (Deadryn maybe?) already said that there's a possibility that it's jest a few bad apples, in which case all the zerg guild is really guilty of is blindly recruiting a few trolls. Which is **precisely why** they're not naming names. They don't want to throw someone under the bus on the off chance it's nothing more than bad apples. Come on man, don't try to argue with people unless you're going to read the whole damned discussion.
And I'm still waiting for someone to respond to me, I called out two supposed zerg guilds. Where are their supporters now, hmmm?
Multiple things have been said:
There are troll guilds, they know who they are, we know who they are, etc.
There may just be individual trolls, we're not certain and don't want to jump to conclusions.
We don't want to name guilds because we don't want to be seen as mudslingers.
If they're not sure, then there's no reason to say anything other than that, but a lot has been said.
Well, what am I supposed to tell you? My experiences run counter to that. Who's right? *shrug* If you represented a big guild, then that's a rather serious accusation. Those are your personal experiences. You've even noted that people in chat could just be a few trolls and not representative of the whole guild. I think you've basically answered your own question there.