Would rather see the game shut down entirely than be dumbed down into some F2P abomination of its former self but if it ever did go F2P at least they'd finally have a real excuse to have a cash shop.
I'd like to see the shop removed entirely. If P2P mmos could get along fine without cash shops a few years ago and some even do right now there's no excuse to have them now. All it does if give fuel for F2P and GW 2 kids to flame the game and payment model and make the company look greedy.
Aisubeki on 07/31/2012, 04:11 PM - view
Before F2P games, Blizzard, and NC Soft made cash shops and then slapped them on P2P games there was no such thing as "optional vanity" it was just content and that's simply all it should ever be. The only model you can ever justify a cash shop on is F2P or B2P. Nothing you say can change that.
and youre being forced to pay for content how, or where? oh wait, completely opetional vanity isnt content.
Before F2P games, Blizzard, and NC Soft made cash shops and then slapped them on P2P games there was no such thing as "optional vanity" it was just content and that's simply all it should ever be. The only model you can ever justify a cash shop on is F2P or B2P. Nothing you say can change that.
Aisubeki on 07/31/2012, 03:33 PM - view
Just because people accept it doesn't mean it's a good thing to be copied. It sure as hell doesn't make you look good to your customers or any potential customers in the general public to copy things like that just because they're "accepted". Look what accepting DLC got us. Launch day DLC that could of easily been on the disc and sometimes it actually is on the disc but locked (Capcom). On the subject of vanity supposedly not being content mmos used to have this stuff called "fluff" aka vanity content, minigames, housing etc. the kind of stuff you'd find in the old sandbox mmos that kept people playing for years and you'd never even heard of anything like lack of "endgame content" until WoW dumbed down the genre with the themepark model.
EzraA on 07/31/2012, 03:37 PM
The cash shop shouldn't be there in the first place. The biggest difference between P2P and F2P used to be P2P lacking a cash shop only relying on a steady monthly fee while F2P games were free and relied on milking a few rich kids with impulse buys in their shop. Now P2P mmos have started adding a cash shop with no excuse other than "F2P games can do it why can't we?" and all it's done is piss off customers and give F2P and GW 2 kids fuel to flame the P2P model as a greedy model.
P2P games never used to have cash shops until a few companies started getting greedy.
people, in general, find it ok to copy something after others have accepted it for quite a while. after the celestial steed, for a good example, it became fairly common.
Your vanity != content couldn't be more groundless
not one thing you said proved my assertions to have 0 credibility. all you did was say OMG I NO WAT U R BUT WUT AM I? how is a low impact premium item or service considered to be content? it doesn't give you aditional ways or methods of play, it doesn't give you new or additional maps, or anything to add to the game what so ever. all it does is make you stand out, and if you wish to be the sore thumb in a crowd, then you pay extra to do so.
it works like this in real life too. you want your car to look "pimp?" you pay extra for rims, or a new stereo, or decals, or a paint job. you dont get them because you pay x $ a month to the bank for a car.
none of you have good reason why it should be "available in game" other than, BOO HOO IM TOO CHEAP TO PAY FOR IT BUT I WANT IT TOO, MOMMY.
Just because people accept it doesn't mean it's a good thing to be copied. It sure as hell doesn't make you look good to your customers or any potential customers in the general public to copy things like that just because they're "accepted". Look what accepting DLC got us. Launch day DLC that could of easily been on the disc and sometimes it actually is on the disc but locked (Capcom). On the subject of vanity supposedly not being content mmos used to have this stuff called "fluff" aka vanity content, minigames, housing etc. the kind of stuff you'd find in the old sandbox mmos that kept people playing for years and you'd never even heard of anything like lack of "endgame content" until WoW dumbed down the genre with the themepark model.
EzraA on 07/31/2012, 03:37 PM
The cash shop is optional.
That's just a fact. If you don't wanna buy things from it, don't.
We are getting a huge content patch for free. Crying about the few silly vanity items in the Cash Shop is just silly.
They are making money from the subs and the Cash Shop at this point. Why would they change that?
Not everyone is pissed about this, only these few forum posters that constantly complain about everything anyways.
Can't please everyone.
The cash shop shouldn't be there in the first place. The biggest difference between P2P and F2P used to be P2P lacking a cash shop only relying on a steady monthly fee while F2P games were free and relied on milking a few rich kids with impulse buys in their shop. Now P2P mmos have started adding a cash shop with no excuse other than "F2P games can do it why can't we?" and all it's done is piss off customers and give F2P and GW 2 kids fuel to flame the P2P model as a greedy model.
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EzraA on 07/31/2012, 03:22 PM - view
They don't have to do it to compete with FFXIV necessarily. They could do it to compete with WoW or any of the other P2P mmos with cash shops to be able to be the people that say "We give you all the game's content for the monthly fee as this payment model originally intended (not counting expansion packs) because we care about our customers." They'd get more money by having more subscribers from a PR/business move like that than they'll get from milking a few rich kids for overpriced vanity items and pissing off the rest of their customers.
Their model for business is working for them, so they have no reason to change it.
And honestly FFXIV is not competition for anyone at the moment.
You do get a permanent pair of 1 of 5 different sunglasses from this event. It says so on the announcement page. Go read it?
They don't have to do it to compete with FFXIV necessarily. They could do it to compete with WoW or any of the other P2P mmos with cash shops to be able to be the people that say "We give you all the game's content for the monthly fee as this payment model originally intended (not counting expansion packs) because we care about our customers." They'd get more money by having more subscribers from a PR/business move like that than they'll get from milking a few rich kids for overpriced vanity items and pissing off the rest of their customers.
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EzraA on 07/31/2012, 03:06 PM - view
Anyone who subscribes to FFXIV for 3 months before the revamp is released gets the $10 month fee as a permanent discount. 2nd if they want to compete it should. 3rd no you don't get a permanent vanity item unless you buy it off the cash shop. The version you can get for free is temporary.
Edit: So you get sunglasses, the main vanity item still costs you about if not the same amount as a monthly subscription and it's not even for all your characters. Do you honestly not see something wrong with that? Just because Blizzard or NC Soft started the whole slap a cash shop on top of a monthly fee for maximum money milking thing doesn't make it a good or acceptable thing to do. All that's going to do is piss off any customer that's played mmos before WoW because they know P2P games never used to have cash shops until a few companies started getting greedy.
FFXIV is $10 a month b/c the game sucks and will suck until they finish the revamp and re-release it. They are doing everything they can to retain their player base long enough for them to get the re-release done.
Second off, what another company chooses to do with their game in no way dictates how any other company should run their game.
Third, you will indeed get a permanent vanity item from this new event.
Anyone who subscribes to FFXIV for 3 months before the revamp is released gets the $10 month fee as a permanent discount. 2nd if they want to compete it should. 3rd no you don't get a permanent vanity item unless you buy it off the cash shop. The version you can get for free is temporary.
Edit: So you get sunglasses, the main vanity item still costs you about if not the same amount as a monthly subscription and it's not even for all your characters. Do you honestly not see something wrong with that? Just because Blizzard or NC Soft started the whole slap a cash shop on top of a monthly fee for maximum money milking thing doesn't make it a good or acceptable thing to do. All that's going to do is piss off any customer that's played mmos before WoW because they know P2P games never used to have cash shops until a few companies started getting greedy.
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Aisubeki on 07/31/2012, 12:56 PM - view
FFXI gave vanity seasonal outfits during seasonal events. They were free and permanent all you did was a little seasonal quest. This is a seasonal event going on in TERA right now but they're not willing to give you permanent versions of the seasonal vanity items in-game for free. There's no excuse for that besides just plain greed. Hell right now FFXIV is having a summer seasonal event. People do a seasonal quest and get free vanity yukatas permanent. On top of that FFXIV's monthly fee is only $10. Also non-seasonal items used to be vanity content you could get in P2P games too. They were just added as new content or joke weapons. Would love to see you try to justify this. All they could ever say is "well korean games get away with it why can't we?" nothing more than a way to milk customers for extra money for content P2P games used to give as part of the subscription and some still do.
vanity has NEVER been content, and FFXI never gave you -any- kind of vanity unless an event/giveaway was going on.
wow tested the market to see what people would be acceptable to their market, and gee, for what has it been, 5 years now, no one's complained?
25 dollars for a useless sparkley pony! no problem!
companies arent obligated to hand you everything on a silver platter, nor are you obliged to kick and scream because you have to pay extra to stand out, and be a special little someone.
FFXI gave vanity seasonal outfits during seasonal events. They were free and permanent all you did was a little seasonal quest. This is a seasonal event going on in TERA right now but they're not willing to give you permanent versions of the seasonal vanity items in-game for free. There's no excuse for that besides just plain greed. Hell right now FFXIV is having a summer seasonal event. People do a seasonal quest and get free vanity yukatas permanent. On top of that FFXIV's monthly fee is only $10. Also non-seasonal items used to be vanity content you could get in P2P games too. They were just added as new content or joke weapons. Would love to see you try to justify this. All they could ever say is "well korean games get away with it why can't we?" nothing more than a way to milk customers for extra money for content P2P games used to give as part of the subscription and some still do.
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Aisubeki on 07/29/2012, 12:19 AM - view
Vanity used to be content before WoW and F2P games ruined the genre. If the old mmos like Ultima Online and FFXI could do it there's no excuse games these days can't. FFXI's monthly fee was even a few dollars cheaper unless you paid for 3 extra characters.
this argument is tired and been beaten dead so many times.
let me spell if out for you OP.
VANITY IS NOT CONTENT. GAME SUBS ENTITLE YOU TO SERVER ACCESS ONLY.
Vanity used to be content before WoW and F2P games ruined the genre. If the old mmos like Ultima Online and FFXI could do it there's no excuse games these days can't. FFXI's monthly fee was even a few dollars cheaper unless you paid for 3 extra characters.
No point besides greed honestly. Last I checked this mount was a Nexus reward in the korean version.