Quote: Tazusa on 05/16/2013, 04:39 PM - view

My sorc has maxxed possible crit on gear. I hear all over the place that this is dumb, but it's what I happened to get when I rolled my gloves, so I went with that rather than spend craptons of money rerolling.

I have the ability (the money) now to roll some power gloves so I might give that a try.

However nine times out of ten our group clears walk. I think I'm doing something right.

I use power when I run with mystic, I use some combination of carving when I run with priest. Seems to work. I don't think it needs to be max carving to see enough crits.

I would like to have personal dps meters in this game because there's really no way to test this short of sacrificing your time being the only dps on queen and doing that over and over and over again with a tank and healer perfectly willing to sacrifice THEIR time to your whims.

The point of back crit on queen is not for total dps, it's not to brag that you clear in so many minutes. It is so the 30% burn, when you can be behind her pretty much all of the time, goes easier.

Yes you can do it in mutinous but you probably won't clear walk. While not clearing walk is a proper game mechanic and you're supposed to be in that stage where she flings herself all over the screen kicking the crap out of you, it is the stage where wipes can happen due to dumb luck. Example: double aoe on a mystic.

As for carving vs power, yep, carving stuff is a RNG mechanic, yep, the power zyrks are solid dps. However there does seem to be a threshold you need to be over to get a worthwhile amount of crits. If I don't see enough crits in my log, I will swap out power zyrks til I see enough crits. Yep the crits will be lower. However, I have cleared walk with the following party:

Archer (regents)
Sorceror (full abyss)
Sorceror (full regent)
Priest

Nobody got energy stars, everyone was sporting some sort of carving setup, everyone got enough (crappy, lowish dps) crits to make a difference.

It's not really possible to test which is the best setup because most testing is done on BAMs which have really low crit resist.

One thing I can tell you though. Carving crux is junk, don't use it.

DO use the double crit arcane pulse glyph though. DON'T eschew it because "it's RNG". It puts you well and above the threshold you need to reach to crit on queen, it WILL crit on queen on ticks of HS and it will very likely crit on other things you cast after it. Especially if you run with mystic.

Quote: Kuldebar on 05/14/2013, 02:41 PM - view

I'm gonna blow your mind.

Don't you think that needing gender specific names for "professions" is sexist in its own way?

Who gives a living damn.

Quote: zebaz1988 on 05/13/2013, 11:54 AM - view

A few new accounts? Maybe.

Hundreds of new accounts? Not actually possible.

Just the first challenge made doing the quests via level up quite time consuming. I know you can do it quite fast, but as to how many times you'd be prepared to do it over and over for a weapon skin that everyone's going to have in three days anyway, is questionable.

I entered with two accounts by the way and I already had those two accounts. I did level up quests on one of them for the hell of it (despite having a level 60 on each account) and it was very, very boring.

As was walking in a straight line dropping fireplaces on both accounts.

Getting an item to +6 on each cost me about 80 gold each. 100 fireplaces costs 20 gold. Do over and over, when I'll be able to buy those skins off the broker anyway?

Nah.

Well I don't have a warrior.

I do have a sorc, and miserably low crit rate on queen with priest.

To be honest I wasn't even including archer in that, I mean in a common everyday party, you usually have slayer and sorc and zerker. I don't feel I am up to scratch with slayer who crit a lot more than I do with priest present.

I can't compare personal results, because I don't have slayer or zerk at 60. All I have at 60 is sorc, mystic, priest.

Also to get accurate results on speed clearing queen, you can't just do it once.

You have to do it many, many times.

Btw I see people bragging bout clearing in t13 constantly.

Were you aware, and I daresay you are, that t13 MW is actually about equal to abyss on final burn?

I see queen after walk plenty trust me, I take in people who aren't "skilled" for the luck boost and even in my main group we do not always clear walk.

What I am actually saying though, is not that you can't clear without priest. what I'm saying is that when you have priest, your sorcs DPS goes from potentially the highest, to potentially the lowest.

And I don't enjoy that. I see it in action too because I see it go from pretty good DPS with slayer, swap slayer put for similarly skilled sorc and bam - we are running slower. No getting away from it.

I hate the lousy rate of crits I get running with priest. I always have to compromise DPS and use carving cruxes. Otherwise I'm just thinking "what am I doing, I may as well use mutinous cruxes."

Quote: Amerilize on 05/13/2013, 09:58 AM - view

This is the sort of thing I'm thinking about and I hope it's possible to hit that threshold of crit you do need to be able to crit reliably AND keep similar damage to the sort of damage you get from mystic.

Because no matter how much priests protest, there is no getting away from the absolute fact that a sorc heavy group have their DPS murdered when they run with priest on that particular, very crit resistant boss.

I can do it fine. I've even cleared walk before with priest. But when I'm running with randoms from LFG I simply do not like to chance it. Yep I want to actually potentially carry with my dps, because I want to clear.

Quote: AkizukiRyou on 05/13/2013, 10:02 AM - view

As I say. Completely possible when you boost with crit rate. Possible too in good gear. However you lose DPS considerably over mystic and I'd bet you're doing less damage than even a warrior who knows how to keep uptime on queen. Because you just can't crit often enough outside of using arcane pulse. That's fact.

Now go in with the same group in t13 MW or abyss, which is the entry level gear for this dungeon.

I'm taking in lowbie geared people and we took in t13 MW sorc. I would not have ran that with priest, and what we actually ran with was brand new mystic (literally a new 60) and cleared on third try.