Thanks for the post, Jess. Sinister is free to hop in and add his perspective, but from mine:

Quote: deaddove on 08/02/2012, 01:40 PM - view

For the short term, I can't leave Nagafen and, quite frankly, I have a lot (a LOT) of farming to do for policy points, so Sinister will be leading the new Divine as he has been in the past. No change there. I will stay in Nagafen to keep everything up in Bastion.

Once my Vanarch responsibilities are over, I plan on joining the leadership of Divine. The current plan is that I will assume primary responsibility the outward facing and policitcal aspects of the guild, while Sinister will assume primary responsibility for the inward facing and membership aspects of the guild. It is important to note that Divine largely operates through a council and that structure will not change, so to be honest, its less of a change than you would think. The leadership of Nagafen and Divine already operated very closely together. The merger makes it easier from a leadership perspective.

Quote: deaddove on 08/02/2012, 01:40 PM - view

No big changes in this regard. We have been taking a bit of break from Nexus PvP lately for various reasons. These reasons include: (a) gearing up a bit after a long stretch of PvP > Gear, (b) giving our members (as well as the other guilds we fought) a break to pursue their own agendas, and (c) to try out new strats and tactics with our friends to see how rapidly we can do the Nexus in other zones. We don't have any specific plans for Nexus (PvP or otherwise) other than to have fun with it.

Outside of the Nexus, however, I intend to use my mandatory small guild status (Nagafen now has 2 members in it) to put some GvG guerilla tactics on some folks ;).

Quote: deaddove on 08/02/2012, 01:40 PM - view

You cant organize and run a guild like Nagafen or Divine alone. It really takes a team of leaders to make it happen. Neither Sinister nor I organized every Hard Mode, lead every PvP, or called out to aid a guildy getting ganked. Both Nagafen and Divine had great officers and members that keep the guild active and fun. By combining them, we have even more leadership to take over in case RL rears its ugly head. If both Sinister and I eloped to Mexico, Divine would do just fine.

Quote: deaddove on 08/02/2012, 01:40 PM - view

Not even a little.

Many of you may already know, but a few days back, the members of Nagafen have joined our friends and long time allies, Divine, to form one of the most active guilds on the server. Given our history and friendship together, both Sinisterfiendz and I feel that uniting under one guild tag is best for all of our members. Divine's long and cross game history made it the obvious choice for the surving guild.

Of course, Nagafen has some unfinished business as I am currently responsible for Vanarch in Bastion. I will remain in Nagafen for the duration of the next term and rest assured I will do everything in my power to keep all services enabled. I have been banking policy point turn ins since we decided to do the merger and so I am prepared to have services up and running as soon as I am elected.


One final note: Zerg guilds (i.e. anything over 2 members) beware because Nagafen hungers. ;)

Quote: VysethHunter on 07/19/2012, 12:28 PM - view

No, it wasn't. If that is not apparent to you, you did not read the original post before it was changed. If what you want is an answer to that question. No one has an issue with them forming a seperate group with the intent to farm as quickly as possible.

Quote: VysethHunter on 07/19/2012, 10:49 AM - view

Wasn't me.

Edit: But to answer your question using as little bias as I am able, I think the negative reaction was caused by two issues, not by the actual idea:

(1) The members of the ZF group have been some of the harshes critics of alliances since the first Vanarch election. Many of the members of the guilds that are participating have said that the large alliances have a chilling effect on PvP and other areas of the game. That the guilds in this relationship are denying it is an alliance is disengeniune. That the the express purpose of the relationship is to help prevent PvP reeks of hyprocracy. So, while I was being genuine when I say that the relationship is good overall, I was certainly mocking some of those involved for doing the exact same thing that they have accused my guild of doing for the past three months. "Manifestation of the Community." Really? Call it what it is.

(2) The original posts and the follow up posts paint the large alliances as bullies and that the new relationship is being formed to prevent abuse. This is 100% false. As far as I can recall, Nagafen/Divine have issued unsolicited declares during Nexus two times: (1) the first week of our alliance, we were still trying to judge our power and feel out the server, we declared on Reckless without warning, expecting more of a mass fight from various guilds. Reckless detagged. We realized then that we appeard to be a bully so we made a committment to be more careful in the future; (2) Last week, Nagafen declared on Quixotic to start the Saturday Nexus. This was in direct retaliation for Quixotic declaring on our alliance while we were already engaged in a fair fight with RP/Proph/Illum. In every other instance, we have declared vs guilds that have declared on an allliance member solely to support our allies to ensure they win at the Nexus. To be branded a bully by guilds that have been jumping into a fight that is not thiers caused my harsh reaction.

In sum, was being genuine when I said I supported the effort. I support any effort where a group of folks get together and try to do it thier way on their terms. That is what PvP is all about. I don't however, like the manner in which it was justified. I would have not even responded to a post that simply said "Notice to Zergs: If you declare on the following guilds at the Nexus, there will be reprecussions. Signed, New Alliance."

Sorry, Dasher. Done.

Quote: 0loh on 07/19/2012, 10:34 AM - view

I know I told Dasher I wouldn't post in his thread anymore, but just hopping in to say that for the benefit of anyone that might be casually reading along, this not me. So "0loh" is not "Oloh." Carry on.

Nagafen is making a huge push to form static HM groups. At the moment we have 2 full time statics and 5-6 HM veteren subs that often do them with other players on the servers. If you are thinking of taking the jump to HM's, we might be able to get a full guild static.

Let me know in game if you are interested.

Quote: Suwayer on 07/18/2012, 10:30 AM - view

Fair enough. I wish you and the rest of the AoSGtDALGDGvGaNAtMosA much success.

Quote: Leiloni on 07/18/2012, 10:26 AM - view

In fairness, it is kinda helpful to call it something when discussing it, right? I mean we could just keep calling it "it" but that gets confusing.

Dasher, I can tell you are upset. We can agree to disagree agree on whether or not this agreement you have put together with all of these other guilds is an "alliance." I don't much care what we call it.

To avoid argument, let's call it the "Agreement of Smaller Guilds to Defend Against Larger Guilds Declaring GvGs at Nexus against the Members of such Agreement. "AoSGtDALGDGvGaNAtMosA" for short.

In any event, I think it is a good thing for your guild and for the server. Thanks for helping put it together. I look forward to how it plays out.

Quote: muffinspimp on 07/18/2012, 10:04 AM - view

You are preaching to the choir. I see no issues with any alliances, obviously. I am one of the biggest advocates for alliances and their postive effects on the game. I am just trying to understand why this endeavor isn't one and why Dasher is so opposed to calling it an alliance.