Close enough
Thank you, Larcnciel, I'll let him know you said that.
And if that is your opinion, I apologize for him for whispering your GM. Honestly it just seems the commonly accepted thing to do if you find someone causing you some trouble since people are expected to represent their guild and because generally the person will listen to their guild leader as opposed to the person their arguing with. But, I won't argue your opinion on that.
To the other posters, I understand that 2 minutes is a good amount of time to pick things up. The thing I'm trying to get out is that it seems a little rude to see someone farming and run up specifically to start trying to take what the mobs they killed dropped. Now I wouldn't say my boyfriend and I take like 20 minutes to start picking things up when we farm, THEN yeah that's a little stupid. I'm actually shocked he got passed the 2 minute mark at all in this situation. (We never really time it >.>) If anything, you can ask if they don't want certain things that are left I the ground first.
But all I'm saying it, just because you can loot it doesn't mean you immediately should. This may not be the best example but kicking people out of group is a game mechanic just like opening up loot at 2 minutes and pre-patch lancers kicked zerkers and first-timers out of group. Just because they CAN kick them doesn't mean they should. (This is just an example, don't start a lancer discussion in here, there's plenty>.>)
But anyway, pretty sure he'll just loot things between fewer mobs now. So thanks for the input, just sucks that it happened is all.
And if that is your opinion, I apologize for him for whispering your GM. Honestly it just seems the commonly accepted thing to do if you find someone causing you some trouble since people are expected to represent their guild and because generally the person will listen to their guild leader as opposed to the person their arguing with. But, I won't argue your opinion on that.
To the other posters, I understand that 2 minutes is a good amount of time to pick things up. The thing I'm trying to get out is that it seems a little rude to see someone farming and run up specifically to start trying to take what the mobs they killed dropped. Now I wouldn't say my boyfriend and I take like 20 minutes to start picking things up when we farm, THEN yeah that's a little stupid. I'm actually shocked he got passed the 2 minute mark at all in this situation. (We never really time it >.>) If anything, you can ask if they don't want certain things that are left I the ground first.
But all I'm saying it, just because you can loot it doesn't mean you immediately should. This may not be the best example but kicking people out of group is a game mechanic just like opening up loot at 2 minutes and pre-patch lancers kicked zerkers and first-timers out of group. Just because they CAN kick them doesn't mean they should. (This is just an example, don't start a lancer discussion in here, there's plenty>.>)
But anyway, pretty sure he'll just loot things between fewer mobs now. So thanks for the input, just sucks that it happened is all.
Marineb0i on 07/13/2012, 11:13 PM - view
Fair enough. It just seems a bit odd that people would bother, though.
Neither of us could even entertain the thought of running up to someone else's loot while they're farming that spot and start spamming interact in hopes we get some of the loot they worked for. It's not so much the loss of loot that bothers us as it is the fact that some people would do it with the intention of taking something that is obviously part of someone else's loot pile.
And my apologies, I didn't clarify what I meant by the view distance thing. I didn't mean each player's personal view distance, I meant whatever the max view distance is. If the max view distance for loot/mobs is 100m then make the loot limit 101m
Larcnciel on 07/13/2012, 11:23 PM
Which I understand. We know the game is set up to open loot at 2 minutes. It's not really about game mechanics, it's about ethics and etiquette in this situation. It's just impolite is all.
I can definitely agree that it isn't nice to hog a bunch of mobs from everyone else. (Though, it's the same amount of mobs either way so no matter what someone is going to think you're hogging them if you're farming there)
However, I'd say there can be a nice way and a rude way to go about it. I know he doesn't go around where other people are and take all the mobs from them, we have a relatively small spot because the mobs respawn fast and we go to an empty channel. We tend to try to not intrude on other peoples' farming too. We've had farm sessions there with another person in the area and we didn't run into issues with them. Neither of us took mobs from the other and we certainly didn't run over and try to loot each other's things.
Well it takes a couple minutes before someone else can loot his drops. I don't know how your boyfriend does things, but that's A LOT of mobs that you have to go through before the first couple items start becoming FFA.
While the whole name-calling, etc could have been avoided, I see this as your boyfriend's fault. The game's already given him a grace period to pick up stuff, and he doesn't bother to pick it up. I kill one batch, grab what I want, move on the to the next batch. Killing dozens of mobs before grabbing anything is just asking for 1) people to loot your stuff and 2) your items start disappearing. If you're not active about grabbing your loot within a 2 minute window, then it's your loss because you have plenty of time to do so.
Besides, it wouldn't be fair for people with lower end computers if the system changed to view distance.
Fair enough. It just seems a bit odd that people would bother, though.
Neither of us could even entertain the thought of running up to someone else's loot while they're farming that spot and start spamming interact in hopes we get some of the loot they worked for. It's not so much the loss of loot that bothers us as it is the fact that some people would do it with the intention of taking something that is obviously part of someone else's loot pile.
And my apologies, I didn't clarify what I meant by the view distance thing. I didn't mean each player's personal view distance, I meant whatever the max view distance is. If the max view distance for loot/mobs is 100m then make the loot limit 101m
Larcnciel on 07/13/2012, 11:23 PM
Couple minutes time is more than enough. If its longer people will be able to just hog more mobs at a time and "claim" its theirs.
Ettiquette goes both ways, it probably isn't nice enough to hog so much mobs that the FFA timer gets winded down. It might not of been nice for him to loot your boyfriends things but I don't see why the other guy gets blamed when your boyfriend could of prevented this from happening. This is just like any other games, Tera is no different.
Which I understand. We know the game is set up to open loot at 2 minutes. It's not really about game mechanics, it's about ethics and etiquette in this situation. It's just impolite is all.
I can definitely agree that it isn't nice to hog a bunch of mobs from everyone else. (Though, it's the same amount of mobs either way so no matter what someone is going to think you're hogging them if you're farming there)
However, I'd say there can be a nice way and a rude way to go about it. I know he doesn't go around where other people are and take all the mobs from them, we have a relatively small spot because the mobs respawn fast and we go to an empty channel. We tend to try to not intrude on other peoples' farming too. We've had farm sessions there with another person in the area and we didn't run into issues with them. Neither of us took mobs from the other and we certainly didn't run over and try to loot each other's things.
Edited by: Sammy333
10 months ago
First, a little introduction. A lot of people go on and on about this server's community being terrible. I typically try not to believe it and give everyone a chance to show their colors. Unfortunately tonight almost an entire guild has disappointed me.
As a bit of a background on what happened, my boyfriend didn't care enough to bother with making a forum post but I'm pretty disgusted with what happened so I am. Anyway, he was farming in his typical spot in Thrallhold. He's a sorc so most people should be familiar with how someone with a sorc farms. If not here's a video someone else made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRNnoX5vJKg
As you can see, it's kill a [filtered] ton of mobs, loot, kill a [filtered] ton of mobs, loot. Even other classes use the method, just not as many mobs (depends on the player/class I guess). It's completely obvious when someone is farming like this. You see them running around killing things over the same pile of loot. It's very hard to assume someone left tons and tons of loot on the ground and the person you see there just ran up and started killing mobs on top of it all.
But, as obvious as that is, my boyfriend has now had about 3-4 people come up and start looting his stuff as he's killing another mob or even when he just stopped killing and started looting. Fortunately 2 of them gave him his loot back.
Now the most recent incident tonight, someone came up and started looting his stuff and of course my boyfriend says "why are you looting my stuff?" to which the other guy replies "can't loot other peoples' stuff herp a derp". Nothing surprising here other than someone being a general jerk. So he whispers the guy's guild leader to talk to him about it. The guilder tells him "it's the most retarded thing he'd ever heard and it's way too long winded and he's blocking him now". So my boyfriend gets on an alt to try again. Keep in mind, he's trying to be civil with them. I know him, I know how he is. He wouldn't just start spamming them "[filtered] YOU YOUR GUILD SUCKS YOU GUYS ARE DICKS etc etc." Again, the guild leader refuses to hear him out. Once he's back on his sorc, my boyfriend starts getting insulting and unnecessary whispers from other members of the guild including the one who stole his loot.
This was about an hour or two ago. Maybe getting close to three, who's counting. He's still getting whispers from that guy. "smash your face on your f key and pick up your loot","loot opens up after 2 minutes I didn't do anything wrong", "clearly you haven't played any hardcore MMO's in EVE you would have learned to not trust anyone" and so on. All of this btw kind of contradicts the original statement he made that "you can't loot other peoples' loot" implying that it was his loot and it just happened to be near my boyfriends or something.
My issue with this is that neither the guy or the guild leader could be civil enough to listen to what happened and talk it out. Calling my boyfriend a retard and blocking him wasn't necessary. He wouldn't have demanded the gold back or anything, and if it was an accident he would have understood. It's the rudeness that we're taking issue with and lack of responsibility from a leader of quite a large guild.
This brings my to my question on etiquette:
Given that it's obvious when someone is farming a spot (you seriously have to run up and start looting with the intention of taking that person's loot, there's no grey area here) is it wrong to expect people to respect that you'd killed a mob and you haven't looted it yet? And let me emphasize that. Haven't. Looted. It. YET.
We both realize there is a 2 minute window on loot remaining closed to you but is it wrong to ask that people not intentionally try to take someone's loot while they're still there? The 2 minute timer doesn't necessarily mean it's no longer YOUR loot. It's there so the loot doesn't go to waste if you don't want it and you run off.
And with that, my request to EME:
Can loot be changed to a distance limit instead of a time limit? Instead of the 2 minute window it is now, can the system be changed to open up the loot if the person goes far away enough? Say...out of viewing distance whatever that is?
TL;DR:
How would you feel if you were farming a bunch of mobs and someone came up and started taking your loot right next to you
Also, I'm not here trying to flame that guild or anything, I didn't name who it was. This is just to get the quesiton out there.
As a bit of a background on what happened, my boyfriend didn't care enough to bother with making a forum post but I'm pretty disgusted with what happened so I am. Anyway, he was farming in his typical spot in Thrallhold. He's a sorc so most people should be familiar with how someone with a sorc farms. If not here's a video someone else made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRNnoX5vJKg
As you can see, it's kill a [filtered] ton of mobs, loot, kill a [filtered] ton of mobs, loot. Even other classes use the method, just not as many mobs (depends on the player/class I guess). It's completely obvious when someone is farming like this. You see them running around killing things over the same pile of loot. It's very hard to assume someone left tons and tons of loot on the ground and the person you see there just ran up and started killing mobs on top of it all.
But, as obvious as that is, my boyfriend has now had about 3-4 people come up and start looting his stuff as he's killing another mob or even when he just stopped killing and started looting. Fortunately 2 of them gave him his loot back.
Now the most recent incident tonight, someone came up and started looting his stuff and of course my boyfriend says "why are you looting my stuff?" to which the other guy replies "can't loot other peoples' stuff herp a derp". Nothing surprising here other than someone being a general jerk. So he whispers the guy's guild leader to talk to him about it. The guilder tells him "it's the most retarded thing he'd ever heard and it's way too long winded and he's blocking him now". So my boyfriend gets on an alt to try again. Keep in mind, he's trying to be civil with them. I know him, I know how he is. He wouldn't just start spamming them "[filtered] YOU YOUR GUILD SUCKS YOU GUYS ARE DICKS etc etc." Again, the guild leader refuses to hear him out. Once he's back on his sorc, my boyfriend starts getting insulting and unnecessary whispers from other members of the guild including the one who stole his loot.
This was about an hour or two ago. Maybe getting close to three, who's counting. He's still getting whispers from that guy. "smash your face on your f key and pick up your loot","loot opens up after 2 minutes I didn't do anything wrong", "clearly you haven't played any hardcore MMO's in EVE you would have learned to not trust anyone" and so on. All of this btw kind of contradicts the original statement he made that "you can't loot other peoples' loot" implying that it was his loot and it just happened to be near my boyfriends or something.
My issue with this is that neither the guy or the guild leader could be civil enough to listen to what happened and talk it out. Calling my boyfriend a retard and blocking him wasn't necessary. He wouldn't have demanded the gold back or anything, and if it was an accident he would have understood. It's the rudeness that we're taking issue with and lack of responsibility from a leader of quite a large guild.
This brings my to my question on etiquette:
Given that it's obvious when someone is farming a spot (you seriously have to run up and start looting with the intention of taking that person's loot, there's no grey area here) is it wrong to expect people to respect that you'd killed a mob and you haven't looted it yet? And let me emphasize that. Haven't. Looted. It. YET.
We both realize there is a 2 minute window on loot remaining closed to you but is it wrong to ask that people not intentionally try to take someone's loot while they're still there? The 2 minute timer doesn't necessarily mean it's no longer YOUR loot. It's there so the loot doesn't go to waste if you don't want it and you run off.
And with that, my request to EME:
Can loot be changed to a distance limit instead of a time limit? Instead of the 2 minute window it is now, can the system be changed to open up the loot if the person goes far away enough? Say...out of viewing distance whatever that is?
TL;DR:
How would you feel if you were farming a bunch of mobs and someone came up and started taking your loot right next to you
Also, I'm not here trying to flame that guild or anything, I didn't name who it was. This is just to get the quesiton out there.
Edited by: Sammy333
10 months ago
It's features:8, color:black/brown, face:9, adornments: 1
I'll let you play around with the sliders till you get it the way you want, though.
The reason I say that is because after look over the model you want there's some key things to look for when searching through the options.
-Her eye color
-eye brow length and thickness
-eye lashes(yes eye lashes only certain faces have the full lashes like her's)
-lip color
-the mole under her left eye are the unique features of that face. (You'll have to screen shot and zoom in to see the mole :P)
I'll let you play around with the sliders till you get it the way you want, though.
The reason I say that is because after look over the model you want there's some key things to look for when searching through the options.
-Her eye color
-eye brow length and thickness
-eye lashes(yes eye lashes only certain faces have the full lashes like her's)
-lip color
-the mole under her left eye are the unique features of that face. (You'll have to screen shot and zoom in to see the mole :P)
akinohibi on 06/28/2012, 01:12 PM - view
Same thing with every other feature. Half the people like it, the other half don't. If they had given warriors the option to turn on or off the buff when queuing as a tank I think it'd be fine. Not all warrior tanks want this ridiculous buff.
Look at it this way. This gives a chance for noobs to learn to tank dungeons without completely wiping their party. And then when they get rid of the buff in the future, we'll have a nice group of more experienced war tanks. Why the outrage?
Same thing with every other feature. Half the people like it, the other half don't. If they had given warriors the option to turn on or off the buff when queuing as a tank I think it'd be fine. Not all warrior tanks want this ridiculous buff.
Tonbbery on 06/28/2012, 01:00 PM - view
Yeah. :x and the warrior tanks who bothered to learn their class and gear up well enough to be good tanks. My bf has been one since we started playing and I'm leveling mine atm. This just takes the fun out of it.
I'm actually really happy about warriors being able to queue as tanks but 70%end + 30% less dmg...lol?
Warriors who choose defense automatically receive a buff when entering the dungeon.
30 percent decrease in damage received.
40 percent increase in aggro acquired.
70 percent increase in endurance.
Thanks for ramming a #### up the back side of lancers..
Yeah. :x and the warrior tanks who bothered to learn their class and gear up well enough to be good tanks. My bf has been one since we started playing and I'm leveling mine atm. This just takes the fun out of it.
I'm actually really happy about warriors being able to queue as tanks but 70%end + 30% less dmg...lol?
Edited by: Sammy333
11 months ago
Sweet slippery Jesus
Quoting myself again for the sake of using this pic lol
Sammy333 on 05/15/2012, 01:18 PM - view
Old picture just for a close up
My bf's warrior (race changed from aman to castanic) and my zerker
And my sorc who became my new main (and switched names with my zerker to be Kaeli >.>)
My sorc and his sorc :P
Sammy333 on 05/15/2012, 01:18 PM - view
Kaeli
Don't have the matching gloves. :x
Old picture just for a close up
My bf's warrior (race changed from aman to castanic) and my zerker
And my sorc who became my new main (and switched names with my zerker to be Kaeli >.>)
My sorc and his sorc :P
Edited by: Sammy333
10 months ago
Kaeli - 410 tailoring. Don't have the T13 recipes yet but I'm working on it. Also about to start working on leatherworking.
Uhh..forgot my zerker's crafting..Think it's about 270 alchy, 280 armorsmithing but that's not even enough to matter so nvm v.v
Also, if anyone is currently trying to lvl their tailoring but can't seem to find the "design" recipes they need on the broker (or through farming) and all you can find is the "attune" recipes just give me a whisper. If you bring the mats for the "design" recipe I'll make them for you and you can attune them yourself for levels.
Uhh..forgot my zerker's crafting..Think it's about 270 alchy, 280 armorsmithing but that's not even enough to matter so nvm v.v
Also, if anyone is currently trying to lvl their tailoring but can't seem to find the "design" recipes they need on the broker (or through farming) and all you can find is the "attune" recipes just give me a whisper. If you bring the mats for the "design" recipe I'll make them for you and you can attune them yourself for levels.
Edited by: Sammy333
11 months ago