Quote: Maldorian on 12/16/2012, 09:00 PM - view

So, just curious, do you believe the main difference between these premades and yourself is gear? Do you feel that if they had t13 +9 or whatever gear you use that you would be able to defeat them? Also I'm curious as to what you describe as an "insane" gear difference, when does the difference become insane when comparing to +12 conjunct in your eyes.

Quote: Sabbracadabra on 12/09/2012, 09:02 PM - view

It doesn't matter who the mats are bound to, as long as the fresh 60 crafts it (Conjunct gear also may be able to be traded within characters, just not to other accounts). Also, the goal of the current system should be to balance the teams as well as it can, the fact that these groups are lumped together is more a flaw that there is currently only one type of BG. Releasing 3v3's will really solve a LOT of the current issues without harming any one group in the process.

Quote: Sabbracadabra on 12/09/2012, 08:14 PM

1) The problem of the queue system exists because the sorting algorithm fails to split strong premades, and fails to attempt any class balance beyond "healers" (Fun fact: Priest=/=Mystic, yet both are considered "healers"). Just because people are asking for changes doesn't mean any change is good. Idea such as this are beyond selfish and serve only as a means to help a few, not the whole.

2) Not sure how to respond to this but I'll go with this. Dear GMs, I, Aristides of MT, have used Vent and Mumble every day of my TERA life. I will continue to use these programs each and every day so that I may talk to my friends in game, and I will use it to my own benefit while in a battleground match. I will also use these programs while attempting any PvE, including the Shandra Manaya (Hard Mode) instance. If you are reading this, and feel I have done wrong, feel free to any action you deem necessary.

Point is, this entire thread is a terrible idea, despite your issues with 5-man queues. A problem exists but this is far from the right answer, and in reality, the issue will be resolved on its own once 3v3's come out.

Two side notes, you can fully create a set of conjunct gear for a character even reaches level 60, thus they can go into BG's relatively well geared. Secondly, I welcome any competition, so you can dispel the notion that I only queue so that fresh 60's.

@Slubber - The real issue is when 2-3 strong premades end up on one team, and 0-1 end up on the other. That premade that you mention, where it is 1 vs. 0, may outgear the new group of 60's, but they've also put a lot more work into their characters than the new 60's put into theirs. Is it "unfair" that a group of veteran players have an advantage over those who are green? The gear adds to their advantage, but the results would remain the same.

Quote: Sabbracadabra on 12/09/2012, 04:54 PM - view

So, if I'm right, your thoughts are as follow:

1) The problem with Battlegrounds is essentially entirely based on gear. The reason 5 people queuing together is unfair is because it's a consolidation of gear, not the fact that they play well together. In fact, most of these players are actually terrible and just hide behind their gear, even though the difference between t13 and t14 is marginal.

2) Using Vent/Mumble/TS to talk to your teammates is cheating. This allows the premades to coordinate well and this is unfair despite the fact that these premades actually don't coordinate well, and they only think they do because they are again just hiding behind their gear, even though the difference between t13 and t14 is marignal.

3) Premades aren't skilled, nor are they coordinated, but they entirely gear carried and clearly you could kill all of them if only they didn't have slightly better gear than you or cheat by using Vent to not coordinate well while they get gear carried into killing you.

So based on this, you are either:

A) Enraged because you continue to die in BG's and refuse to do anything to improve yourself and have no wish to work with a team in a team based environment. You then refuse to acknowledge any blame of your losses on your end, so you then grasp at straws trying to pin down why the other side wins. And clearly, since you feel you have done nothing wrong, and in fact are more superior to them, the opposing team must either be "gear carried" or "cheating", as this lets you feel better about the situation, because at least that isn't YOUR fault. Or,

B) A troll.

Quote: BarbeQQ on 12/07/2012, 10:19 PM

Granted, there are flaws with the system, which is why I state a valid claim would be to point out how basic the system is, and how that it can create highly unbalanced teams (Without even talking about skill/gear, the system not trying to equalize Lancers as well as Healers can make fights a joke, try 4 Lancers versus none).

However, this entire thread isn't even focused on the actual problem, but rather it's about promoting the behavior of the selfish soloist. Claims such as gear are baseless with how easily gear can be obtained, and how they actually made the difference between t13 and t14 a LOT smaller than what is the norm with this game. People use these as crutches and therefore refuse to even try and get better because of "gear".

I stated what I believe will happen already in another thread. EME will leave this system as is and wait for 3v3's to come out, the "premade" crowd will move over to arenas which will leave 15v15 as a more solo-friendly environment. 3v3's should also have a better match-making so queuing issues should be resolved from this.

Quote: Sabbracadabra on 12/07/2012, 03:27 PM - view

Sorry, but I fully understand what a single queue is, however it seems you don't fully understand how a 15v15 queue works. 15v15 works by having two full premade teams (i.e. 15 players from one guild) fight against each other, meaning that 15v15's require a large turnout from two guilds, versus the current form where you need 30 players across three entire servers for a match to begin.

You state that if I want to run around with "geared people", then I should be forced into playing a 15 man queue, which means you feel I should have to wait for 14 players because you don't want to wait for 4 and make your own premade. So because I have friends that I like to BG with, I should be punished because we've formed coordination between each other and have become a strong unit when we head into a BG.

A legitimate complaint is not saying that premades are unfair when you should have the exact same opportunity to team up with others and work on getting better together. A legitimate complaint is not blaming premades strength on gear alone, instead of recognizing what they're doing right and what you're doing wrong. A legitimate complaint is not asking for an entire feature to be removed because a full 15v15 premade system exists which is incredibly inconvenient for anything other than player held tournaments.

A legitimate complaint would ask for a more in-depth sorting algorithm that isn't solely based on the number of "healers" (This is what it seems like at least, where it doesn't take into account important factors like # of Lancers or past BG record). But you don't even want something to improve the current system, you just want something that rewards not wanting to develop teamwork, and punishes those who do want to queue with friends.

It requires 30 people across three servers currently, not 30 people from two guilds. Just because you can't be bothered to find four other people to queue with, why should I have to wait for fourteen others to be on, ready and willing before I can queue. I play this game to have fun with friends, not so I can play an online game alone.

Gear should be no problem to obtain, and even if you have a full group of +9 t13 you'll do fine, as the conjunct gear isn't a huge improvement. Stop blaming everything on others and work to improve yourself and your teammates.

I also second the addition of new maps/3v3's.

Quote: Gorran on 12/06/2012, 05:37 PM - view

Gorran, man, not exactly sure where all this hate comes from, but this really seems to just be a personal issue of yours that's skewing your view. And I am kinda curious to why you think we won the Canyon Clash if we truly are lacking of skill. Also, the reason OP's name keeps popping up is most likely due to the fact that BG's is where we -made- our name, and it doesn't hurt that our emblem stands out like a freaking beacon (compared to other strong premades with less noticeable emblems, or no emblem at all).

And also, rumors state that Warriors are a highly sought after class for 3v3's, so ease up on the Lancer hate.

Short answer is yes, we do still have fun, or at least I do and I know others in guild do as well (Some are taking a break for some PvE/alts, but they still enjoy getting in a few BG's). The fights that end up in pure swimming parties or sitting in spawn can be boring but they only happen every once in a while, so we can just BS till the match ends as well. We also do get a decent amount of good fights against other premades, so there does still exist some competition. Even other groups that we can beat in PvP tend to give close matches with good capping.

Once 3v3's come out we'll make a migration over there, I'm sure, so till then it's just enjoying the PvP content that we can.

Quote: Splyph on 12/05/2012, 08:52 PM - view

Sorry, can't put any merit into Varilyn being the best Priest when he rage-quits after one death in a BG. Not saying hes bad, but he -is- pretty pathetic. And would honestly say he wasn't even the best Priest in Man Up, let alone in the game (from an outside perspective looking in).