lol. Quite a few people already have:
http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/off-topic/topics/Pet-Pictures-Show-off-your-furbabies
http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/off-topic/topics/Pet-Pictures-Show-off-your-furbabies
gezodiac on 06/16/2012, 01:16 PM - view
Tabasco on 06/16/2012, 01:08 PM
Mentioned.
Gallus on 06/16/2012, 02:23 PM
Dramatic fictional exaggeration is dramatic.
Gallus on 06/16/2012, 02:23 PM
Your logic make sense. You'll get no argument from me on those points, with exception to your speculation on the maximum resolution. Personal experience I have with cards of similar performance disagrees with you. Just the same, speculation vs. speculation arguments are irrelevant in this thread.
The (veiled) point of my previous post was despite there being dozens of monitor manufacturers that either build or make their displays available for personal computing in the United States, at this time I can only find evidence of one monitor with a 2880 x 1800 resolution, and then only for the the Macbook Pro.
It would appear none of us has any personal experience with the display.
It would appear none of us knows how the Bootcamp drivers for Windows will respond.
It would appear none of us are aware of how efficient NVIDIA's current 301 drivers will be with it.
I would speculate that this laptop, like others that Apple has released in years past will deliver a middling gaming experience. I don't plan to buy this one to find out.
Gallus on 06/16/2012, 02:23 PM
I rarely discuss the expense of Apple products in threads like these because "expensive" is relative. The OP did not articulate any budget limitations. He may be able to purchase a MBP for every day of the week, or it could be the most expensive thing he purchases all year. We don't know, and projecting my (or anyone's) financial point of view in absence of his own would be inappropriate.
Of course, the OP didn't directly ask whether or not he should buy one, or even what we feel the appropriate cost/performance ratio is. He asked only if anyone had tried it, to which my answer is no.
mentions 2880-1800 resolution... fails to mention that that is a DEMANDING resolution for any laptop and most desktops.
Tabasco on 06/16/2012, 01:08 PM
...games designed for more conventional resolutions may not fare as well beyond the WQXGA standard.
Early adopting is risky business.
Mentioned.
Gallus on 06/16/2012, 02:23 PM
Not dramatic, realistic. I've been building PCs since you were suckin on your momma's teat.
Dramatic fictional exaggeration is dramatic.
Gallus on 06/16/2012, 02:23 PM
The most important parts of a gaming build are the CPU and the GPU. The right combination of CPU + GPU depends highly on your desired resolution.
If you want to play games at playable FPS, with a resolution higher then 1920x1080, you're going to need a rock solid GPU.
Sorry to say, but the 650m wouldn't net reasonable FPS on a 1920 x 1080 screen. You'd be looking to play at 1366 x 720 at best. It might do Tera ok enough because it's a very GPU lite kind of game. But Anything more demanding like Crysis, BF3, Metro, AVP, etc, is going to be terrible.
Your logic make sense. You'll get no argument from me on those points, with exception to your speculation on the maximum resolution. Personal experience I have with cards of similar performance disagrees with you. Just the same, speculation vs. speculation arguments are irrelevant in this thread.
The (veiled) point of my previous post was despite there being dozens of monitor manufacturers that either build or make their displays available for personal computing in the United States, at this time I can only find evidence of one monitor with a 2880 x 1800 resolution, and then only for the the Macbook Pro.
It would appear none of us has any personal experience with the display.
It would appear none of us knows how the Bootcamp drivers for Windows will respond.
It would appear none of us are aware of how efficient NVIDIA's current 301 drivers will be with it.
I would speculate that this laptop, like others that Apple has released in years past will deliver a middling gaming experience. I don't plan to buy this one to find out.
Gallus on 06/16/2012, 02:23 PM
Also note that a Mac is going to be ~50% more expensive then a similar performing PC.
I rarely discuss the expense of Apple products in threads like these because "expensive" is relative. The OP did not articulate any budget limitations. He may be able to purchase a MBP for every day of the week, or it could be the most expensive thing he purchases all year. We don't know, and projecting my (or anyone's) financial point of view in absence of his own would be inappropriate.
Of course, the OP didn't directly ask whether or not he should buy one, or even what we feel the appropriate cost/performance ratio is. He asked only if anyone had tried it, to which my answer is no.
Edited by: Tabasco
11 months ago
- Reason: typo.
Gallus on 06/16/2012, 11:23 AM
Gallus on 06/16/2012, 11:33 AM
Dramatic comments are dramatic.
The GeForce 650m looks to be on par with the Radeon HD 4850 desktop card from a couple of years ago, except with DirectX 11 support and less than half of the thermal footprint. Not bottom of the barrel in the least.
Along with the Ivy Bridge i7-3820QM that can turbo to 3.7 GHz and 8 gigabytes of 1600 MHz DDR3 memory that come standard with that model, the new Macbook Pro is a good machine for a number of applications.
That said, the new Macbook is still a laptop. Not upgradeable, and rarely serviceable by yourself. The DDR3 memory is built into the board, as is the video card. The SSD storage device is removable, but it is merely a few NAND chips on a piece of silicon. The design is proprietary to this one computer.
The new Retina display has got to be one of the best in any laptop that I have ever seen, but I don't know how games will react at fullscreen with a resolution of 2880 by 1800. the UI in the TERA client is scalable, so perhaps there won't be any issue, but other games designed for more conventional resolutions may not fare as well beyond the WQXGA standard.
Early adopting is risky business.
If your wife is hell bent on an over-hyped, over-expensive, POS mac book laptop, but you want to game... there is only one solution.
Gallus on 06/16/2012, 11:33 AM
FTW 650M GPU is very very very bad for gaming. It's basically the bottom barrel next to on-board GPUs.
Dramatic comments are dramatic.
The GeForce 650m looks to be on par with the Radeon HD 4850 desktop card from a couple of years ago, except with DirectX 11 support and less than half of the thermal footprint. Not bottom of the barrel in the least.
Along with the Ivy Bridge i7-3820QM that can turbo to 3.7 GHz and 8 gigabytes of 1600 MHz DDR3 memory that come standard with that model, the new Macbook Pro is a good machine for a number of applications.
That said, the new Macbook is still a laptop. Not upgradeable, and rarely serviceable by yourself. The DDR3 memory is built into the board, as is the video card. The SSD storage device is removable, but it is merely a few NAND chips on a piece of silicon. The design is proprietary to this one computer.
The new Retina display has got to be one of the best in any laptop that I have ever seen, but I don't know how games will react at fullscreen with a resolution of 2880 by 1800. the UI in the TERA client is scalable, so perhaps there won't be any issue, but other games designed for more conventional resolutions may not fare as well beyond the WQXGA standard.
Early adopting is risky business.
gobSIDES on 05/17/2012, 08:15 AM
We do have something like this.
Also: those are the recommended requirements, not the minimum.
http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/support/topics/Can-I-Run-TERA-Try-our-diag-tool
https://tera-support.enmasse.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/175/kw/system%20requirements
I am not sure we have something like this but a lot of people are asking about TERA running on their systems. So I think it would be a good Idea to have a dedicated thread for any questions about PCs running TERA and list the minimum requirements of TERA.
Minimum System Requirements are.....
Windows Vista or Windows 7 Windows XP
AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+ or Intel Core2 Duo E6750
4 GB or more of RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT or ATI Radeon HD 3870 XT video card or better
25 GB free HD space
Broadband Internet connection
We do have something like this.
Also: those are the recommended requirements, not the minimum.
http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/support/topics/Can-I-Run-TERA-Try-our-diag-tool
https://tera-support.enmasse.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/175/kw/system%20requirements
It seems like the price is simply a deterrent. They allow the player to have the flexibility to change their appearance, but they don't want players to do so without consequence. Incentive to get it right the first time I suppose; or incentive to get it right the next time for sure.
Kinda vague, guy.
Wireless interference? Faulty antenna? DHCP misconfiguration?
Who knows?
o_0
Perhaps if you had a protocol analyzer installed, you could catch your system in the act of dropping the connection. If it's a layer 2 or 3 issue, you might be able to capture some evidence and shed some light on the situation.
Wireless interference? Faulty antenna? DHCP misconfiguration?
Who knows?
o_0
Perhaps if you had a protocol analyzer installed, you could catch your system in the act of dropping the connection. If it's a layer 2 or 3 issue, you might be able to capture some evidence and shed some light on the situation.
Sykz on 04/30/2012, 05:42 PM - view
ahem:
Sykz on 04/30/2012, 04:34 PM
fixed. ; )
If these forums allowed words to be bolded I would've done it...
ahem:
Sykz on 04/30/2012, 04:34 PM
I DO NOT plan on building my own and plan on purchasing it from ethier AVAdirect OR ElifePC (wont know until thursday on ElifePC since thats when there adding Z77 boards and the new processors to there list).
fixed. ; )
crosshairv on 04/24/2012, 03:43 AM
Heh, was that a biased opinion? lol, jk.
Also:
Toonation on 04/23/2012, 08:57 PM
Hah! Barging rights lol.
Unfortunately, I don't have much of an opinion on the components of your build. I don't know enough about Panther Point to have an educated anaylsis as of yet. Other than native USB 3.0 support, it looks very similar to last year's Z68, retaining SSD caching and on-proc HD Graphics support. Yay?
I choose not to speculate on the price of Sandy Bridge processors once Ivy Bridge drops later this year.
Crosshairv is probably correct: good things come to those who wait.
I agree with your stance on SSD. Still too expensive for a drive the size I would be comfortable with. Western Digital still has my attention with their 10,000 RPM SATA drives.
On-board wireless networking is a neat feature, though I have no idea what kind of reception that ferromagnetic antenna will afford you. Just keep in mind; the Phantom mid-tower sports that attractive plastic molding on the top, and front panel. You would have to stick the antenna on the side, or rear of the case, if you wished to take advantage of that feature.
Incoming ASUS marketing example:
Your original post neglected to mention the Corsair Vengeance DDR3 memory you had planned on installing. Eight gigabytes of CAS 9 memory, @ 1600 MHz, $54. Not bad.
And of course the the flagship NVIDIA card, the GTX 680. "Much better than nothing" is the understatement of the year, but it might not be time to upgrade if you already have its 500 series counter part.(complete speculation, I have NO IDEA what you've got) Stellar shader performance, no one will argue with that, but NVIDIA really scaled back their support for DirectCompute with this one. A few benchmarks actually put the GTX 580 ahead of the 680. Probably not important to you, but it is to some. I'm sure my Folding@Home performance would take a hit if I "upgraded" to the 680. Again, total speculation, I don't know where you are coming from.
Either way, good luck on your build guy!
Looks fine to me. But I would highly recommend you posting this in a tech forum. Most people on here will post biased opinions instead of actual facts.
NOTE: Buy the sandy bridge CPUs after the ivy bridge cpus come out as they will drop in price.
Heh, was that a biased opinion? lol, jk.
Also:
Toonation on 04/23/2012, 08:57 PM
Intel Core i7-2700K: -- I might want to get this for barging rights :D
Hah! Barging rights lol.
Unfortunately, I don't have much of an opinion on the components of your build. I don't know enough about Panther Point to have an educated anaylsis as of yet. Other than native USB 3.0 support, it looks very similar to last year's Z68, retaining SSD caching and on-proc HD Graphics support. Yay?
I choose not to speculate on the price of Sandy Bridge processors once Ivy Bridge drops later this year.
Crosshairv is probably correct: good things come to those who wait.
I agree with your stance on SSD. Still too expensive for a drive the size I would be comfortable with. Western Digital still has my attention with their 10,000 RPM SATA drives.
On-board wireless networking is a neat feature, though I have no idea what kind of reception that ferromagnetic antenna will afford you. Just keep in mind; the Phantom mid-tower sports that attractive plastic molding on the top, and front panel. You would have to stick the antenna on the side, or rear of the case, if you wished to take advantage of that feature.
Incoming ASUS marketing example:
Your original post neglected to mention the Corsair Vengeance DDR3 memory you had planned on installing. Eight gigabytes of CAS 9 memory, @ 1600 MHz, $54. Not bad.
And of course the the flagship NVIDIA card, the GTX 680. "Much better than nothing" is the understatement of the year, but it might not be time to upgrade if you already have its 500 series counter part.(complete speculation, I have NO IDEA what you've got) Stellar shader performance, no one will argue with that, but NVIDIA really scaled back their support for DirectCompute with this one. A few benchmarks actually put the GTX 580 ahead of the 680. Probably not important to you, but it is to some. I'm sure my Folding@Home performance would take a hit if I "upgraded" to the 680. Again, total speculation, I don't know where you are coming from.
Either way, good luck on your build guy!
Edited by: Tabasco
about 1 year ago
- Reason: syntax, grammar
Wokstar on 04/17/2012, 06:09 PM - view
That is one mighty clean build right there.
Where did you get the water blocks for your video cards in this setup?
Excuse the bad camera quality photos!
That is one mighty clean build right there.
Where did you get the water blocks for your video cards in this setup?
Apple Extended aluminum keyboard
TRON Legacy Razer mouse
As pictured in my previous post:
Tabasco on 02/04/2012, 03:15 AM
TRON Legacy Razer mouse
As pictured in my previous post:
Tabasco on 02/04/2012, 03:15 AM
